Raise the Minimum Requirement for entering Abyssea to Lv70 or 75

[Chocobits]

Yes, I see the pattern. It's turning into what I expected: Leeches clinging on and sucking the life out of the thread.

You still think this thread had life, or a chance. Until you realize that fallacy, you'll never improve as a person and just go through life thinking everyone that shuns your opinions has a character flaw. As far as sucking, I see a lot of it, but there's a certain irony when the leeches are required to say "Hey, you suck too much".

[Ravenmore]

One thing you should know is I only have 2 jobs at 90 both 75 before abyssea with soloing my blu from 55 to 75. While I have leech my a couple of my more niche subs my main subes were 40+ before the first level increase. My drg was covered by my blu being 75 and my sam being 75. Took NIN to 46 long before it was anounced that we were getting 99 and my rdm was already 60. Main reason I don't have more is my drg was my first fav job and provided me with a fun solo job, and my current fav job blu is far more flexable and needed then anyother job I think I would enjoy at endgame.

[Chocobits]

Actually, to be fair Akujima, I gave every opportunity for life to be breathed back into this thread. All you had to do was respond to ANY of the numerous, valid and well substantiated points I made throughout. You ignored them all (even the non-troll ones), because they were contrary to what you believe.

A healthy discussion isn't a circlejerk where everyone hifives each other for everything they say. Those that ignore opposing views (or worse, those that somehow delude themselves into thinking they have beaten the opposition when that is CLEARLY not the case and make self proclamations of victory) aren't contributing at all, whether or not they started the topic.

While I was a bit rude with the google docs thing, and probably 3 dozen or more other comments, I genuinely think getting together with the (incredibly small) group of people who think like you might turn up some juicy topics for you to enjoy. You won't find that here because you represent a (ridiculously) small minority here.

And then after a fabulous get together with those like-minded individual resulting in a truly cathartic experience, you can all play "Let's count the rings on our straight-jackets" when the wards haul you off for happy med time.

[Leonlionheart]

Yes, I see the pattern. It's turning into what I expected: Leeches clinging on and sucking the life out of the thread.

Dude, where do you not get it that leeches aren't always bad.

Most people who leech and want to play a job (like myself, 30-90 WHM in a handful of hours) will read up on how to gear and play it efficiently. FFXIAH has forums where there are many people willing to tell you where you should go with your gear, and will give you help on macros. Macros can aslo be found on wikia or gamerscape. This group of people will leech a job and still play it better than tons of your 'legit' levelers. This is the majority of the people who truly enjoy the game.

The bad leeches will actually quit the game because they won't get enjoyment past getting all 90's since they don't know how to play; this is the minority.

Like I said before, no matter how much evidence you see you won't change your mind because you want to QQ just sooooooo badly.

[Tamoa]

Depending on what you fight, you learn the fundamentals on experience points mobs. Even Imps teach that life-saving cures comes first, using negative status removal spells comes second, and buffing and debuffing after that. It teaches you to stay out of AOE if you're a mage, and other core concepts.

Browsing quickly through the last pages of this thread, and I just have to comment on this.

Grinding exp in oldfashioned exp parties doesn't teach you the above. It's called common sense. If you know whichever mob you are fighting can use an AoE spell or move, you stay out of range when you're a mage. If you don't know - well you stay out of range anyway, just in case! And if you cast Blindna on the war when he's @ 25% hp instead of a cure, then you have no business being on whm or rdm. Funny thing is - I still see people do this today, people that I know have played whm or rdm since well before Abyssea. And coming across players on jobs that use some form of magic but don't carry something like echo drops, is almost a daily occurrence. Again, people that have been playing for a long time, maining something like pld (when that was still a relevant job).

Point is, grinding exp on pink birds and whatnot, doesn't teach you much if anything at all. Common sense and willingness to learn is what it's about.

[Akujima]

Point is, grinding exp on pink birds and whatnot, doesn't teach you much if anything at all. Common sense and willingness to learn is what it's about.

EXP is based on the idea of training and practice. The word "experience" by it's very definition cannot be argued.

People don't join the army with one physical and that's it. They're doing push-ups and ALOT more every single day in the army. It's called exercising your job. Most people don't pick up a guitar and play some Jimmy Hendrix flawlessly as their first song. People don't run marathons without a $#!% load of training beforehand. You may doubt these facts because this is a video game, but the same rule of thumb will still apply.

It's just self flattery to think that you're already a professional the minute you play a job at Max Lv for the first time.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I was a professional DD the minute I played it at max level because DDing isn't complicated.

[Akujima]

I was a professional DD the minute I played it at max level because DDing isn't complicated.

So then direct yourself over to rog's thread, about how FFXI is too easy.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Learning how to perform a role was never hard unless you were incompetent to begin with.

[Tamoa]

Being able to remove status ailments and keeping haste up, requires practice? Being able to sleep an add or 2, requires practice? Meleeing a mob, maybe turning if necessary, requires practice? Really? I'm sorry but I disagree, it only requires you to pay attention and use some of that common sense I mentioned before.