Raise the Minimum Requirement for entering Abyssea to Lv70 or 75

[Panthera]

Did you honestly just try to prove your point by saying, "other games/aspects do it, so this has to do it too"? No, they don't have to follow a formal just because the formula is often used.

Yes, I honestly am saying that RPGs are games involving filling in the shoes of characters that level up over time by definition. Not instantly.

Cheating would be doing something against TOS.

No, that's not necessarally what the word "cheating" means. What you're talking about is "breaking the rules," when the rules say that you cannot do something, and you do it anyway. "Cheating" means to to deprive, mislead, evade, or act dishonestly. Leeching deprives those who actually earned their level out of their prestige. It misleads people that you've been playing your job for 90 levels, when all you've done at best is just open chests, and at worst, just stood around doing nothing. Leeching evades the leveling up process of particpating in battle in a way specific to the main job being leveled. More generally, cheating is dishonest. Did you really, honestly earn level 90? No, you just leeched. Leeching is cheating by defintions, plural.

It seems SE is actually encouraging this type of activity...

No, this arguement is a fabrication. SE has never explictly nor implicitly advised the player base to leech. What's more, players from level 1-29 are restricted from participating in Abyssea. I should call that discouraging, indeed. At most, players are permitted to enter at level 30, but permission is a far cry from encouragement. Furthermore, let's not forget that one must be level 50 to enter Assault, level 60 to enter Einherjar, level 65 to enter Dynamis or Salvage, and level 70 to enter the Walk of Echoes. Generally speaking, SE doesn't just discourage low level characters in end game areas, they outright prohibit it. Why SE picked level 30 as the entry level is beyond me. It should be either at least +60, if not more like 70+, or no level restriction at all. A level 30 cap just makes no sense.

...So claiming it's "cheating" makes you look like a sore loser as it has not been against SE's policy at all.

The invalidity of your premise not withstanding, "soar loser" implies a finality to the issue that does not yet exist. Until a community rep says that the level cap will be raised, lowered, or will remain as is, the jury is still out, and there's no winners or losers to be had.**

Until then, you might think that the permittance of leeching is by design. By all means, leech then. Leech, leech now...and leech while you can. Do you remember how low level players joined campaign battles and worked that exp system for what it was worth? spamming useless buffs while contributing nothing to the battle. They even made scripts for it. Abyssea is no different, and I wager it shall suffer a similar fate. And if and when low level players return to normal areas, no one will pity them after mobs have double the exp values as they once did and FOVs can be repeated as often as desired.

And once again, none of what you said means you can't xp the old way.

Correct, none of what I said means that, it was never intended to.

So again, you're just whining over numbers in a video game.

I am loath to retort a summary this sophomoric (and sophomoric is a very generous gift), but if indeed I am, you are as well.



**Provided the number of replies and views of this thread alone, as well as similar threads, any input from a Community rep would be most welcome, just to put the matter to rest.

[Ravenmore]

I like leech got me many a level on subs I woulda put as little into as I could. Case in point I took my whm from 20 to 37 with out touch one mob or party before abyssea. I hate for that job was that much I was content with feeding it exp scrolls and doing the camp op picking trash up around windy.

[Meyi]

So if it's their FIRST time in Abyssea, and they are farming their FIRST NM EVER for AF3+1 seals... You're expecting them to already have a full set of AF3+1? How does that make any sense at all?

I don't expect that of anyone. If it's their first NM though, it'll be obvious. I don't mind helping people and I don't mind guiding them through events for the first few times. It's okay; I was new to Abyssea at one time too. We all were.

What I'm saying is that there are lots of players who believe they can continue to wear Teal/Aurore/Pearl and be acceptable to a party. Ravenmore hit the nail on the head; these three sets are stop gears. They're decent gears to level up into, but they're not decent to stay in.

And unlike all of the boring end game events at 75, Abyssea monster hunting can be fun. Hands and bodies are sometimes a pain but I've enjoyed helping tons of people get head, pants, and feet seals.

AND they just entered Abyssea, and want to get some EXP and Merit points for crying out loud... And you call them WORSE than KeyLeech's? for actually TRYING to do the best they can, with whatever gear they can get in their FIRST EXP PT's inside Abyssea.

Something is seriously wrong there. Drop the narcissistic/megalomaniac attitude and cut these people some slack.

KeyLeeches actually provide something beneficial to a party; they give up their cruor so I can get better exp and better cruor myself.

It's rather annoying to be continuously accused of thinking poorly of new people. Quite the contrary. I am always welcoming of new people and I am happy to at least help them verbally with understanding the world of Vana'diel. What I cannot stand are people who refuse to learn their job or learn how to play. These people slow me down. They slow everyone down. And when people try to encourage them to fix their gear they start crying.

I knew a black mage who was very upset in linkshell about not being able to sleep monsters. I asked him what his enfeeble set was. Do you know what it was? Nonexistant. I started looking up my set and repeating it to shell only to fall on deaf ears. Eventually when I went out to help him, I noticed he wasn't even changing staves to cast a nuke. He told me he hated blinking.

That, Akujima, is what we, the pro-keyleech team, disapprove of.

New people? Welcome (back) to the game.

Idiots? Get out, stop wasting our party slots pretending to be participating. And if that's not bad enough they all flood the forums and cry more.

I would expect them to wear Perle and Aurore (And I'm pretty sure YOU did at one point as well) and get some Merit Points and Skill Ups for their Job, before farming Seals from NM's on lowman 4~6 member PT's, where Merits and Skill Ups would actually do them some good. At least they're trying to contribute and improve themselves.

Actually I wore mostly Teal plus normal quality AF3 feet and hands because that's all I had on my taru. But as soon as I got to level 85 I rushed out to Abyssea - Vunkerl and did the seal quest about 80 times to get my feet +1ed. There was proof that I had leveled black mage to 75 on my Elvaan; I had all of my HQ staves and tradeable gear, plus I knew not to cast Stone on worms. X3

[Ravenmore]

The only thing that gets me with pearl set is the people that mix it with gear they already have. Like using the body, hands, and feet with tuban and kitty pants. If they going to do that might as well pick up dusk gloves for 10k and harby 20 to 30k or a +1 for around 100k with some cheap fumes.

[Akujima]

What I cannot stand are people who refuse to learn their job or learn how to play. These people slow me down. They slow everyone down. And when people try to encourage them to fix their gear they start crying.

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Idiots? Get out, stop wasting our party slots pretending to be participating. And if that's not bad enough they all flood the forums and cry more.

Yea, and it's these same people who cry about how Loooooong it takes to Level Up. It's these same people crying about how much time it takes to go anywhere, demanding more teleports, etc, etc. "Are we there yet?! Are we there yet!?" Sound familiar?

And anyone who agree's with this thread, could hardly be considered an idiot or a "noob". Because what it asks for is to remove "noobness" and stop the leeching and exploitation of game content. Anyone who agree's with raising the LvCap of Abyssea to 70 or 75, actually has some good sense and knows a good MMORPG or RPG when they see one.

Allow people to start collecting stones at Lv30 (And get Jaochim to tell you that he'll give them to you, once he thinks you're ready to handle Abyssea). But don't give in to the children and spoil them, because then they'll never grow up.

[Ravenmore]

Its not like gimps wern't around doing it the old way. No matter how retarded a whm, rdm or brd was back at 75 chances are you would still invite them if they were the only ones looking to fill that spot.

[Panthera]

I don't really see much more of a solution other than raising the LvCap of Abyssea. In fact, not raising the cap and adding more content that tries to appeal to people to EXP/LvUp outside of Abyssea IS a waste of the Dev Team's time, because people already know that Abyssea will still skyrocket them towards 90, and It won't stop them from taking the easiest route possible.

The fastest way from Point A to Point B is always a straight line. Abyssea is the straightest line there is, so if you don't offer up anything that surpasses Abyssea, people simply won't bite

Well said sir, and I completely agree with you.

It's like you say, even with vastly increased base exp, there is just nothing that can keep up with 1000 free exp per mob for every 5 mobs, e.g. Sand Sweepers Op #1. This camp is just overcrowded because it's just so much better than everything else...in the entire game. And secondly, with self buffing Atma effects, and the fact that it's up to 18 players against one mob, there is just no way to keep up with that kind of base kill speed, not even considering the absurd bonus exp.

[Ravenmore]

Huh guess one thing I can like of my new home seems most just go and FC frogs while charging leechs 150k a hour. Dolls only had my LS alli and a couple of solos and one single party.

[Akujima]

Well said sir, and I completely agree with you.

Greatguardian didn't say that... I did.

Was that intentional or unintentional or?...

[hiko]

Leveling up is an inherent part of this game, and most RPGs, online, offline, or even classic dice and paper variations. That isn't my opinion, that is a fact.

in most rpg your char cant lvl 20 job and change job everytime they want.

Well, true to a point. Except the choice part. People xp at those 2 camps because they DON'T have a choice, whether they prefer those camps or not. Well, there's always Valkurm pts. I refuse those though no matter how many DDs are in the pt, how many PLs the PT has and how good the xp could be. I will never xp in the dunes again in my lifetime. Considering my solo kill speed on pretty much any job 10-20, it would be kinda dumb to subject myself to that. But I digress.

people lvl at those 2 camps because they are the better camps (when not overcrowded)