[Suggestion] Paid Race Change Program.

[HFX7686]

Wow, you are really against any kind of dissenting opinion on this topic being voiced. You're going to quite some trouble to try to personally discredit me as a 'trouble maker' there, buddy.

Moving a character to another server can be explained in that we can move through dimensions and time in the storylines of Wings of the Goddess and Abyssea. Deleting a character is like death and someone having the same name as someone else is hardly uncommon. Bringing a character back to life through 'magic' sounds much more 'believable' than having them change their race. Having them awaken from a long coma. Having them lost in an alternate dimension over a period of time. It's not hard to stretch belief here.

Lots of things have no impact on the game. The teahouse in Whitegate has no impact. Pankration has no impact. It's just, to me, changing one's race on a whim sounds very silly and very dumb.

So why are you so against a dissenting opinion on your topic being heard anyway?

[Ophiuchus]

In my personal opinion, saying that race change is unrealistic for a fantasy game is a rather silly objection in of itself. As for your point of no means of lore to possible make it realistic I imply you to look at items/events that impose a costume affect on characters. Even though those are considered costumes I'm sure there's an extreme that can be achieved for a more permanant "costume" effect if you really want to go that route.

People can get surgey in real life to change their apearance to that of another race/gender of someone if they so wish (hell it's probably possible to make one look like a monkey surgically if they really wanted too). So, in actuallity, it's ironic you're argument is about the reality of it being in a fantasy game when it's already possible in the reality of real life.

As far as "changing one's race on a whim" can easy be prevented by my suggestion of having a one-time only use or extended cooldown.

As for what Eldwir is suggesting is that there are quite a number of people that would like this feature to be implemented. And I think we can all (pro-suggestion group) agree that we would like as little reason as possible for Square Enix to turn a blind eye to our suggestion because of a arguement that goes to personal levels is involved. I suggest, if you're opposed to the suggestion(s), to make an opposistion thread to the idea. That way people's personal pride/etc aren't being offended(intentially or otherwise) and thus lead to an unprofessional discussion.

That previous paragraph by the way is intended for everyone involved with this thread not just Eldwir or HFX7686, it's unproductive to have a debate over pure personal biases that is really nothing more than a arguement of dislikes towards others.

[HFX7686]

As for what Eldwir is suggesting is that there are quite a number of people that would like this feature to be implemented. And I think we can all (pro-suggestion group) agree that we would like as little reason as possible for Square Enix to turn a blind eye to our suggestion because of a arguement that goes to personal levels is involved. I suggest, if you're opposed to the suggestion(s), to make an opposistion thread to the idea. That way people's personal pride/etc aren't being offended(intentially or otherwise) and thus lead to an unprofessional discussion.

That previous paragraph by the way is intended for everyone involved with this thread not just Eldwir or HFX7686, it's unproductive to have a debate over pure personal biases that is really nothing more than a arguement of dislikes towards others.

You want me to make a whole new thread to come up with an opposition to the idea posted in this thread? Are you trying to suggest that we should flood the board with multiple threads on the same topic?

Unprofessional discussion about a video game?

Considering that the whole idea of race change is purely an aesthetic desire the idea that this argument is not based completely in personal biases is very silly.

His argument basically comes down to this: Some people like this idea and want race changes to be implemented therefore people who are against such a change should be quiet. My response is thus: Some people are against this and don't want race changes to be implemented therefore people who are for such a change should be quiet.

I think you have misunderstood me. I am against the idea of race changes but I accept that people might want this type of thing. However, I am prepared to argue against such a thing and feel that automatically being told to shut-up when presenting the dissenting opinion is very stupid and short-sighted of the OP. If the OP had stayed on track and argued for his suggestion instead of telling me to go away I would have simply continued to argue the point against the race change idea (or perhaps lost interest). The idea that he feels that someone who disagrees with him is trolling and needs to be quieted is offensive!

[Ophiuchus]

I think you have misunderstood me. I am against the idea of race changes but I accept that people might want this type of thing. However, I am prepared to argue against such a thing and feel that automatically being told to shut-up when presenting the dissenting opinion is very stupid and short-sighted of the OP. If the OP had stayed on track and argued for his suggestion instead of telling me to go away I would have simply continued to argue the point against the race change idea (or perhaps lost interest). The idea that he feels that someone who disagrees with him is trolling and needs to be quieted is offensive!

Yes I do agree with you on this point, which is why I tried to make my last paragraph as least targetting to a single person as possible. You're entitled to your opinion just as much as anyone else and I don't mean to try to take that away.

The personal bias was meant to be about how posters feel about each other, not about the topic; it's obvious some poster now feel negatively about each other and that negativity is effecting their discussions. I'm simply stating that those negative vibes drive postings against each other that don't productivly progress the discussion anyway.

That is also for the base for my suggesting of making another thread. One thread for the suggestion and one thread opposed. To try and keep postings that are purely personal distaste of other posters as minimal as possible. I wasn't intending to suggest having a flooding of forums, just a clear seperation of the pros and cons with as little noise as possible. Though now that you've made that point I can see how it could cause many posts of the same issues and do more harm than good so I concede on that debate.

As for debating the actual suggestion I've stated my arguements against yours and invite you to do the same. What are your points agaisnt mine, or perhaps what are some other points you have against it?

[Magicka]

People can get surgey in real life to change their apearance to that of another race/gender of someone if they so wish (hell it's probably possible to make one look like a monkey surgically if they really wanted too). So, in actuallity, it's ironic you're argument is about the reality of it being in a fantasy game when it's already possible in the reality of real life.

Here's a supporting link to the above statement that it is possible to "race change" in the real world. Strange, but true: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlFAU...eature=related

In any case, I can see why a race change within the context of FFXI might be impossible. As per the tweet from SE that was quoted in an earlier post, there are gear considerations.

Now, a service to change once's appearance (not race) such as face, hair color, size and/or name; this, I can see as being a very welcomed service either as an in-game "salon" where a character pays x amount of gil for the service or as a customization service offered in POL that is purchased for x amount of dollars to make the aforementioned changes.