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  1. 07-18-2013 07:12 PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stompa View Post
    Name change and hairstyle change are realistic & should be implemented. They would have to add a sticky to the forums here listing everyone who changed names with old/new names, so that you don't end up in a Ls with somebody who stole your KC or w/e and is going under a new name & you don't know its them.
    Hairstyle changes is of course realistic and should be possible if you want to, say once per year. Face change is unrealistic, as is gender and race. What people don't appreciate is that in ffxi some of the core storylines involve marriage between NPCs and the whole storyline hinges on it. If it were a world where the bride could suddenly change gender and race or get a new head, that would make such plotline romances meaningless. Also re; FFxi has magic spells & teleports etc. and is therefor a fantasy and not like Earth, there are shamans in Mexico and the Amazon who for thousands of years have possesed magical powers, and mastery of 'dreams' to they extent they can fly in spirit. Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant, many people on Earth believe in magic and claim to have witnessed it. So FFxi and Earth are actually more alike than some might have it. But neither Earth nor FFxi have people that are born from magic spells, we are all born by natural process, and to suddenly change Vanadiel to a place where people overnight change their heads, bodies, race and gender, would rob the game of its realism.
    I agree, before I chose blue hair color for my Taru. Then a good portion of the time I got sick of looking at it. At one point I even imagined my Taru was a grandpa and I was staring at a bald spot. =p

    Speaking of Grandpa, in Japan elderly men dye their hair blue and elderly women dye their hair Purple. I found that out when I first went to Japan with blue extensions only for my Jp friends to laugh at me and call me granddaddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Speaking of Grandpa, in Japan elderly men dye their hair blue and elderly women dye their hair Purple. I found that out when I first went to Japan with blue extensions only for my Jp friends to laugh at me and call me granddaddy.
    Is that a cultural thing over there? Elderly ppl do that here as well but its due to the eyes loosing the ability to see colors as they once did so purple looks gray and true gray looks something else I don't remember. Which is why there are so many purple haired grannies they think they are dying their hair gray
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostfowl View Post
    Is that a cultural thing over there? Elderly ppl do that here as well but its due to the eyes loosing the ability to see colors as they once did so purple looks gray and true gray looks something else I don't remember. Which is why there are so many purple haired grannies they think they are dying their hair gray
    Honestly I'm not sure. I went to Japan in 1999. At the time girls were rockin these white long socks with School girl dresses and they all dye their hair whitish grey. I hung out with a music producer and his artist Mao Denda during the time who told me that Elderly woman and men dye their hair blue or purple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stompa View Post
    Name change and hairstyle change are realistic & should be implemented. They would have to add a sticky to the forums here listing everyone who changed names with old/new names, so that you don't end up in a Ls with somebody who stole your KC or w/e and is going under a new name & you don't know its them.
    Said it before, but just because something can be abused doesn't mean it shouldn't exist for those who won't abuse it.

    Hairstyle changes is of course realistic and should be possible if you want to, say once per year. Face change is unrealistic, as is gender and race.
    I'll paraphrase the MST3k Mantra: "It's just a game, you should really just relax."

    What people don't appreciate is that in ffxi some of the core storylines involve marriage between NPCs and the whole storyline hinges on it. If it were a world where the bride could suddenly change gender and race or get a new head, that would make such plotline romances meaningless.
    We're adventurers. As such, we have crazy adventures that the vast majority of NPCs could only dream of. By our nature we encounter strange and ridiculous things that they never will. Much of Vana'diel understands this because they hear tales of our exploits and probably wouldn't be all that surprised if one day that wacky, heroic elf suddenly returned to town as a wacky, heroic mithra.

    Even if that doesn't do it for you, the 3 nations seem to possess what can only be described as Retcon Magic. They explain it as "sealing your memories," but what is the real effect of that magic? Reality changes such that to the rest of the world you never completed any of the missions for that nation. Who is to say such magic could not be used to explain a change in one's identity? I don't mean that if we use one of these services that we get our missions reset, but reality itself could be altered such that, to the rest of the world, that wacky, heroic elf was always that wacky, heroic mithra.

    Or, "It's just a game, you should really just relax."

    Also re; FFxi has magic spells & teleports etc. and is therefor a fantasy and not like Earth, there are shamans in Mexico and the Amazon who for thousands of years have possesed magical powers, and mastery of 'dreams' to they extent they can fly in spirit. Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant, many people on Earth believe in magic and claim to have witnessed it. So FFxi and Earth are actually more alike than some might have it. But neither Earth nor FFxi have people that are born from magic spells, we are all born by natural process, and to suddenly change Vanadiel to a place where people overnight change their heads, bodies, race and gender, would rob the game of its realism.
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  6. 07-20-2013 10:22 AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stompa View Post
    I am relaxed, thanks.


    I don't agree with your angle of 'adventurers are so special and different to shopkeepers etc. that we should be allowed to change race/heads etc. just because we put on armor and hit mobs.'

    Windurst is the city of magic, almost all NPCs there have innate magical abilities, and yet they are ALL born to real flesh and blood parents, and raised as children. Taru and mithra kids go to magic school in Windurst, to learn about the elemental spectrum etc. But they don't change into humes magically, as that would break their parents heartarus.This is called REALISM.

    Re; its just a game, its a 'role playing game' in an online cybernetic ecology (virtual world). Vanadiel has seasons, days and nights, NPC's with active A.I., and hugely immersive game content. This sets it apart from "just games" which would include Tekken etc.

    Just because you don't understand that changing the basic rules of life in an RPG actually sabotages the whole atmosphere which is what many people play RPGs for. Example, the marriage of two famous NPC's in a ffxi storyline, what happens if the handsome groom wakes up in bed the morning after the wedding and discovers his beautiful wife has overnight changed into a galka. That would have knock on effects if they were supposed to be parents to a plotline character. If players can do change race and swap heads overnight, then that also means it is the base reality of all Vanadiel, which means that next time you go see Prince Trion or Ghatsad, they might have turned into mithras or something. Don't you understand that kind of basic logic, that you can not build realistic rpg's unless they have "constancy", realism and a sence of permanence.

    What you seem to be saying, is that you don't like being Elvaan and want to be mithra. I also played an Elvaan female briefly in 2004, but I personally didn't like the Boeing 747 ears, or the 'running underwater' animation on that model. I realised this after 10 levels, and deleted the char and built a mithra which I then played for 9 years. My point is that you have got hundreds or thousands of levels on your Elvaan, and didn't stop to think that maybe those ears were not your thing. You should have realised that around level 10, or level 50 at worst. Its actually your fault, for not changing race when your character was still early stages. Its not the developer's fault, they made a realistic virtual world, with weather and fluctuating market prices and food you can eat. etcetcetcetc. Asking them to sabotage the intrinsic realism of their whole RPG just because you decided too late that you don't like your ears, is actually absurd. Especially as you can build a new mithra to competent game standard in a month, starting your new character's storyline from the beginning, as it was always supposed to be, in Earth and Vanadiel.

    In my magical fantasy RPG world, This character model you see is just a magical skin that I have created to hide my true form because it is so terrifyingly beautiful that merely gazing upon it would disintegrate your entire being and leave nothing behind of your soul. Not even a hint of a memory of your existence. ANd I can change it any time I want cuz I'm just that bad ass.

    There is no intrinsic realism in this game. Only what you have created in your head. And if they decide to allow character model and name changes, you'll just have to create a new reality in that crazy head of yours.
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  8. 07-20-2013 04:14 PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stompa View Post
    Coz ppl want easy > anything in ffxi 2013.
    Yes, I want everything easy because I am not willing to make an entirely new character just to change my race, face, or name, that I picked years ago and now hate. I want everything easy because I rather them add a single simply feature other games offer which would allow me to change this, so that I am happier with my character. I understand how this can be compared to asking for free Mythics or free gear, yes, this is exactly the same... Oh by the way, your an idiot if you really think that.

    Its a feature to enhance someone's game experience, this is a feature, only a 1 sided feature, but a feature never the less that Windower has, via plastic surgeon, which allows someone to change race or appearance at will. Names can only be changed by a long and stupid process of paying real money to switch to another server for a while just to change back so I can change my name after making a new character with my name on my old server. So really, no, this should be done, it makes people happy. Your talking about NPCs changing race, that's retarded, you know its retarded, and your saying it in a retarded way, story and gameplay are different. Want an example of gameplay & story being different? In any story CS, my friends have never been around, I have known them for years, done every mission I have done recently with my GF, yet, she does not exist. In a CS I may have had a NPC ready to help me in a battle, but they are not there when the fight begins, or at all till it ends, then they magically pop up and we all act like they helped out. Gameplay =/= Story in every instance, this is one of those instances.

    Besides that, as Camiie said there could be a magical explanation for this, the way you could explain that away if you so wish is we are special as we have done so much and it has allowed us to do so without something like Death occurring. Just make it so that the magic which would do this would kill any normal person, but we are special, I know I know...

    I don't agree with your angle of 'adventurers are so special and different to shopkeepers etc. that we should be allowed to change race/heads etc. just because we put on armor and hit mobs.'
    I killed a god, killed another god/avatar, killed the first god in a different reality, went to Provenance, went to various other dimensions for various events and reasons, and more, I think I am special, you disagree? Who's to say what effects these things would have upon me? Why should I not be special after such things, and as such, allowed to be granted this power? None of the NPCs have done all of this, in fact, very few have come to any of these events, so its not like they would instantly be the same as us, they could say since we have become so strong, we are now able to withstand this magic, and only allow lv99s to change. That would mean its not to early in on your character as you say we should have changed by, but at the same time has some realism in it, as it would be a powerful magic that would kill a normal, weak, person.

    Last thing, not everyone initially cared about their character, I myself did not care 1 bit how my character turned out, I made it and went because I wanted to play the game, and at the time, the friend who got me into it had me so excited I was rushing. Now, many years later, I'm stuck with it still. I will not restart, there are many reasons as to why I will not, one for instance is this character is married to my GF, I am not simply going to make a new character, because, you can not marry twice, or divorce. My character is bound to hers, completely, so she would have to make another as well, and that's not going to happen. Not only that, but many of my items are lost, all mission progress, quests, my Excalibur, and so on. You want another thing of realism? Might I ask why Excalibur is bound to me? Almace? Half my gear? Why only certain jobs can wear certain things, when my stats are in nearly every way the exact same when on another job? My RDM can not wear BLU gear, not because my VIT is to low or something, but I am not a BLU, and Altana would kill me where I stood if I wore armor she did not make for me.

    In the end, I disagree with you strongly.
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  10. 07-20-2013 05:55 PM

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