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    Holy necrobump, batman!
    Alternatively, since FFXIV will have male mithra and female galka, perhaps you can open those race options for FFXI, and then give everyone a one time appearance change.
    No. First, FFXIV won't have male mithras and female Galkas, because the game doesn't have either of those races, as it is not FFXI-2.

    FFXI has explicit lore reasons why female galka don't exist at all (technically, they arent male or female, as they are asexual), and why male mithra are not playable. FFXIV had no such lore reasons, and in fact a female Roegadyn was the leader of one of the Grand Companies. To add females to an asexual race doesn't even make sense, and would be a massive retcon of the game's lore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    Holy necrobump, batman!
    No. First, FFXIV won't have male mithras and female Galkas, because the game doesn't have either of those races, as it is not FFXI-2.

    FFXI has explicit lore reasons why female galka don't exist at all (technically, they arent male or female, as they are asexual), and why male mithra are not playable. FFXIV had no such lore reasons, and in fact a female Roegadyn was the leader of one of the Grand Companies. To add females to an asexual race doesn't even make sense, and would be a massive retcon of the game's lore.
    Any time you are thinking about using lore as an excuse to deny something, please refer to this quote:

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    The vast majority of what happens in Vana'diel is unrealistic. You're worrying about Superman's pitiful disguise as Clark Kent while forgetting that he is a space alien that can fly, shoot lasers from his eyes, survive nuclear blasts, and juggle aircraft carriers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankReynolds View Post
    Any time you are thinking about using lore as an excuse to deny something, please refer to this quote:
    The quote is irrelevant, it's still a massive retcon. Besides, even if a re-customization service is ever offered, you and I both know they are never going to add new races or "missing" genders.

    The Galkan race is not male or female. They are treated as males for their appearance, but even the original instruciton manual states they have "no specific gender."

    You could release male mithra without messing with the lore TOO much (though it would be weird for all the men of the mithran race to suddenly come out of the closets they're being kept in). The Galka however, it doesn't make any sense.

    I don't understand why races with non-human designs and social structures are so taboo. You can't have a non-gendered race because that's somehow sexist or something- it suppresses creativity.

    I want a race like Species 8472 on Star Trek Voyager- They have 5 genders. Thattl' never happen though, because anything that doesn't have just males and females will get shot down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    I don't understand why races with non-human designs and social structures are so taboo. You can't have a non-gendered race because that's somehow sexist or something- it suppresses creativity.
    Anthropologically speaking it would be incredibly hard to do so simply because our brains like to catagorize and we would always see something as inherently male or female. Which is also why the few cultures that have more than 2 genders still see the third as more masculine or feminine. So it would take an absolutely brilliant dev group to come up with an actual third, forth or fifth sex (sex btw is completely different from gender) and have it not fall into a male or female catagory. Which is why the Galka, being sexless, fall into the male catagory. Their bulky frames are better suited to what we perceive as traditionally male clothing and armors that would be designed for men would fit them better. Also the reason people have a hard time thinking about them as being sexless.

    Species 8472 is a bad example simple because they lacked clothing, a descriptive culture or anything that could be seen as a gender catagory. It was simply multiple sexes by reference. Even if they had 5 sexes they could still only have 1 gender and being human we would percieve it as masculine or feminine. As we would all 5 genders if they have 5 genders to accompany their 5 sexes. Its complicated when you really get into it.

    But away from the scientific stuff. Everything has to fall into the lore somehow, you cannot have a game without lore, if you break lore every time its convenient you would have one heck of a disorganized game which would lead to many many problems
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    The quote is irrelevant, it's still a massive retcon. Besides, even if a re-customization service is ever offered, you and I both know they are never going to add new races or "missing" genders.

    The Galkan race is not male or female. They are treated as males for their appearance, but even the original instruciton manual states they have "no specific gender."

    You could release male mithra without messing with the lore TOO much (though it would be weird for all the men of the mithran race to suddenly come out of the closets they're being kept in). The Galka however, it doesn't make any sense.

    I don't understand why races with non-human designs and social structures are so taboo. You can't have a non-gendered race because that's somehow sexist or something- it suppresses creativity.

    I want a race like Species 8472 on Star Trek Voyager- They have 5 genders. Thattl' never happen though, because anything that doesn't have just males and females will get shot down.
    I completely agree with you about the lore not matching and that they would have to make some silly stories up to explain it. I just don't think that's a problem. Hell, just last week we discovered an entire continent and kingdom wrapped in lore that we had no idea existed for 10 years.

    I say if charging people $29 to add a continent and all the other crap that goes with it doesn't ruin the lore of the game, then adding some cross dressing galkas and some male cats for a nominal fee won't hurt either. If people wanna pay money for something, then SE should be happy to oblige. I wish people would go on my website and give me new ideas for making money off of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankReynolds View Post
    I completely agree with you about the lore not matching and that they would have to make some silly stories up to explain it. I just don't think that's a problem. Hell, just last week we discovered an entire continent and kingdom wrapped in lore that we had no idea existed for 10 years.

    I say if charging people $29 to add a continent and all the other crap that goes with it doesn't ruin the lore of the game, then adding some cross dressing galkas and some male cats for a nominal fee won't hurt either. If people wanna pay money for something, then SE should be happy to oblige. I wish people would go on my website and give me new ideas for making money off of them.
    More people would have a problem with it than you give them credit for I think. One of the things people love most about Final Fantasy games or rather SE games in general, is the story, by breaking lore in a dozen ways it could easily anger many. Would it be so many people the game would go under? No, but it seems to me like SE would be spending more time and money for something that is mostly pointless in the end and breaks their lore a ton so they would get complaints for it anyways.
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