WoEs

[Doombringer]

um no actually... i'm complaining about leeches because my linkshell does WoE with a full party and actually clears the zone.

then one of the "soloers" (read: leech) shows up to "help" (read:leech) and does nothing but force us to go again. (of course once leeches show up i always vote we immediately leave. yes it's cutting the nose to spite the face but if we all did it maybe they'd give up trying to leech)

[Cream_Soda]

People who complain about "leeches" are really complaining about people like me: soloers perfectly capable of killing mobs for coins who would themselves would prefer that they could do so alone and in peace.

You couldn't be any more wrong.

I have no problem with people who want to do that.

I simply wait for them to finish and go while it's cooling down.

I've even offered for "soloers" to go first if they want to go and it usually ends with a stand off and them not entering until we do, waiting specifically for our run.

I have no problem with soloers. I do have problems with people who go out of their way to try to get into our run

[InfamousDS]

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Base it on monster HP and standard Alliance drops. Once per Earth day is idiotic. Zone-wide lotting is good idea, but humanity being what we are... well, the negativity led to this topic. Voidwatch-like chest system, using a Campaign-like ranking to determine breadth of rewards. That way, groups who try to clear: can. Everyone in the zone stands to gain, leechers can't "ninja" coins from the alliance unless they are top-tier DD, and soloers can hang out in a corner while the alliance clears the zone. While you are at it, remove the Ex tag to make coins trade-able to reduce competition over-all. Nobody is excluded using this system, as the chests don't divide into 1st, 2nd, or 3rd and give the exact same loot based on point tiers.

I.E.
DNC/sam attacks Mob A and holds it while dealing moderate DoT.
Alliance enters area, walks past the Soloer and proceeds to clear the area.
DNC/sam kills his first mob, pulls another, repeats.
Win.
DNC/sam accumulated 400 points, and his reward is 2 pouches. (Average)
Alliance Leader gets 900 points, he acquires 3 items and 3 pouches. (Top Tier)
Remaining members vary between 200 and 700 points, getting 1 Item for the 200s and up to 5 drops for the 700s.
Everyone trades the coins they acquired (and don't need) to the DNC, who gives them (in return) the coins he didn't need.
Peace is acquired!

[katz]

Just make the whole one single player. No alliances allowed. Soon make people realize other solo players have the right to play the zone too. I reallly dont understand the mentality of 1 player vs many and they many moan that the single player "stole" stuff from them. The whole point of the zone is so that the coins drop for anyone. Make it so the good players ie the soloists can get more, then the leeching LS people get less. Seems much fairer to the soloist who can.

[scaevola]

What is stopping you from soloing an "assault-style reservation" battlefield, unless they make it a requirement to have 2+ people?

Nothing at all, but if WoE is constantly reserved by a succession of soloers who don't want or need to compete with anyone else for the coin drops, people voting 2 might reevaluate their stance.

EDIT: Oh, I understand what you're saying. Instanced WoE would be totally fine; if coin droprates were increased I could even get behind a once-per-RL-day lockout.

um no actually... i'm complaining about leeches because my linkshell does WoE with a full party and actually clears the zone.

Then if my experience with people who actually do WoE serves as a model, you are in the extreme minority because most people capable of fielding a party to farm a weapon with an Empyrean weapon skill are smart enough to realize it's quicker, simpler, and MUCH more rewarding to make an actual Empyrean weapon.

[Cream_Soda]

lol, I like how you completely skipped over what I said.

[Rearden]

lol, I like how you completely skipped over what I said.

I like this quote more:

Make it so the good players ie the soloists can get more, then the leeching LS people get less. Seems much fairer to the soloist who can.

[scaevola]

lol, I like how you completely skipped over what I said.

What is there to say to it? If you're bringing so many people to WoE that you can't accommodate a random soloer ranking, you're wasting time when you could using that manpower to make an Empyrean instead. Your poor resource management skills are not a reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Personally, I think the best solution would be to do away with this silly ranking system entirely and give everybody the loot, but that's apparently not on the table, so.

[Cream_Soda]

What is there to say to it? If you're bringing so many people to WoE that you can't accommodate a random soloer ranking, you're bringing too many people anyway. The solution is to stop wasting your friends' time and go with fewer, not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Not really, I always go with the lowest number of people to safely do the run. That being said, if it's people I know who are capable of doing their jobs well, we clear #2 with three people. If I'm shouting for pick up people and don't know their competency and skill levels, I go with 5 for safety.

In the 3 man runs, rly don't care about ranking everyone ranks, but they're still lotting drops from boss mobs they are unable to solo on their own, not just the monsters they can kill solo and also lotting drops from the ending chest, which they would not have ever seen without the group in there.




Either way you look at it, my point still stands. We shouldn't have to accommodate for a "soloist" if he wants to solo so bad, then why doesn't he actually just solo then?

Again, we have no problems with waiting for them if they want to go first, the point is they sit there and specifically wait for you to go in. That is leeching.

People who complain about "leeches" are really complaining about people like me: soloers perfectly capable of killing mobs for coins who would themselves would prefer that they could do so alone and in peace.

So, again, exactly what you skipped out on. My response is that if someone "prefers" to solo, why do they specifically wait for a group to go in to follow? Because they want more drops than they are capable of soloing on their own.

[Cream_Soda]

you're wasting time when you could using that manpower to make an Empyrean instead.

Whether or not it's a waste of time, the point still stands. The people I'm calling leechers are the ones who specifically wait for groups to enter just to follow them. Not to be confused with people who do go in on their own and actually solo, without trying to gain the spoils of w/e group that has entered.