WoEs

[Yinnyth]

Soloers should be able to do the event too, and I don't see that working with a reservation system.

By "do the event" do you mean "obtain top tier loot"? I mean stuff on par with empyrean gear? If that's what you mean, then I have to disagree. If you mean that they should be able to enter solo and slowly work towards their goals without relying on the help of others, then I agree. I don't think that everything in the game should require a group. There should be easier (but still meaningful) goals that people can reach by themselves, and harder(but proportionally rewarding) goals they can reach with the help of others.

But I don't believe anyone should be able to advance in the game while riding on the coat-tails of an organized group that doesn't even want them there. Because you know what's worse than not being able to do something on your own? Doing all the work and having some random tard show up, make it harder for you to succeed, and then get an equal chance at the loot he did NOTHING for. It doesn't just ruin your day, it ruins the day for you and the 12 friends you organized to get a fake empyrean for complete strangers.

It is my opinion that WoE was the single most exploitable event ever made in FFXI. It's as though SE one day said "Yeah, kill stealing is neat, but is there some way we could actually make strangers capable of stealing loot out of the loot pool they did absolutely nothing to help produce? Because that would be awesome!" On a similar note, I dislike the loot pool system for campaign, but that's a topic for another thread.

[Jacs]

I think your not getting what soloer means in this event, 90% of the time the soloers are stalking a LS or 2 and crashing the LS runs. Now if a LS shows up and enter after a true soloer had already went in and been farming for a bit but before the 50% cut off then they get what they get what they get.

That just isn't fair or true. Maybe on your server but not on mine. Much more common on my server is a whole load of just random people coming to solo. You see LS groups very rarely.

The biggest problem with WOE is the open loot pool. You could solve a bunch of the problems in WOE just by clearing that up Random people screwing up your strategy isn't quite as much a problem. My play schedule is sporadic and often for only an hour at a time, so I can't always organize a group. Hopefully SE makes this thing instanced, otherwise its going to be a lot of single people locking up zones, which is going to be a massive problem too.

[Kristal]

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I don't understand why people are climbing the walls to have this changed so dramatically.
It took me about two-three weeks to finish 2 WoE weapons and enough stray coins from personal chests to make 3 more. 5 if you count the coins of ruin that dropped, since those only get used to make the lolmelee staff.
And all that with whatever random pickup parties were doing flux #2, and the occasional solo/duo on #1/#3.

If I'd change anything, it's changing the global drops to alliance drops. Possibly spawn a chest for all active players on zone clear based on performance and enemy kills.

[Rezeak]

2 with same kind of time restrictions assault would have (basically u can do 7 a week if that be 4 in one day and 3 another or just once a day)

I would like a system were 1 would work but SE u fail in making a balanced reward system

[Ravenmore]

That just isn't fair or true. Maybe on your server but not on mine. Much more common on my server is a whole load of just random people coming to solo. You see LS groups very rarely.

The biggest problem with WOE is the open loot pool. You could solve a bunch of the problems in WOE just by clearing that up Random people screwing up your strategy isn't quite as much a problem. My play schedule is sporadic and often for only an hour at a time, so I can't always organize a group. Hopefully SE makes this thing instanced, otherwise its going to be a lot of single people locking up zones, which is going to be a massive problem too.

Nope this is why LSs stop bothing to do it after the first couple of weeks. As soon as they said it would work like campaign for personal chest peoplle knew what to do and what job to go on to lock in a chest.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Why do people think that the lotting rules alone are what is chasing away endgame linkshells? Why would any group capable of dominating any WoE battlefield not instead spend their time dominating Abyssea bosses for the sake of actual empyrean weapons?

Again, why do people feel that WoE will magically become more popular than Limbus and Einherjar?

[Zagen]

Why do people think that the lotting rules alone are what is chasing away endgame linkshells? Why would any group capable of dominating any WoE battlefield not instead spend their time dominating Abyssea bosses for the sake of actual empyrean weapons?

Again, why do people feel that WoE will magically become more popular than Limbus and Einherjar?

WoE takes a few hours to "dominate" with a group of 6 people Empyreans take weeks to months with that same group assuming more than 1 or 2 people are getting empyreans out of it. To many people WoE versions are good enough. WoE gun/h2h are good enough for me personally because those jobs aren't ones I'm passionate about but still play them as needed.

Well the gun is for brewing.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

WoE takes a few hours to "dominate" with a group of 6 people Empyreans take weeks to months with that same group assuming more than 1 or 2 people are getting empyreans out of it.

If the time requirement is really that drastically shorter for WoE weapons, wouldn't it still be far shorter even if one is dealing with leeching? Or is the emotional impact of all this overriding logic?

[Zagen]

If the time requirement is really that drastically shorter for WoE weapons, wouldn't it still be far shorter even if one is dealing with leeching? Or is the emotional impact of all this overriding logic?

Not when it requires ranking and clearing the zone. When a group enters without a "soloer" they can focus on clearing the zone the fastest way possible for a given zone instead of focusing on getting points to ensure one of the top chests because a PLD, BLU, RDM, or COR showed up to exploit the ranking system and your group's victory.

Edit: As a BST/SCH who plays more support with a group of SMNs and BSTs I generally ranked 1st, or 3rd. When 2 PLD/DNC leechers showed up one run I didn't rank at all. Those leechers also lotted all coins/pouches further delaying the group's goal, mind you a group who didn't need help from the soloers.

[Cream_Soda]

If the time requirement is really that drastically shorter for WoE weapons, wouldn't it still be far shorter even if one is dealing with leeching? Or is the emotional impact of all this overriding logic?

Due to the number of leeches I had, WoE actually took me LONGER than my actual Emp. (Did rev fists+2 then I did Vereth).

I had 27 coins, needed 3 more. Those 3 coins alone took about 2 weeks. I had set up a shout run and one of my members were there for coin of glory. Someone joins in half way through the run. A pouch of glory drops and they ask to get solo lot on it because they were at 25/30. Of course, we said no. They came in, racked up as much points as they could and got a chest, didn't rly help w/ the run at all.

So after that, every time I did a run here she was or her friends. She'd come with 4-6 friends at a time and they'd all spam lot coin of advancement. literally took almost 2 weeks to get my last 3 coins.