Quote Originally Posted by Olor View Post
the trouble is not everyone can get a group for the things they want and need - especially when they are just starting out. As a BST, for example, no one will take me on seal runs. I've asked and they say "do you have another job?"
I joined a seal farming shout the other day that was led by a SMN. While the job has its uses but for seal farming it provides no real needed help, much like BST would. No one in the group questioned that the SMN went SMN to farm, we went with a NIN tank, BLM, and WHM to farm seals everyone got the seals they wanted and all were happy.

The difference between you and the SMN in my story is the SMN was the one shouting not asking to join a group, s/he took the role of leader (one few want myself included) and got the key jobs to farm seals with. If you don't have a "key" job then take the role of leader because most people don't want it, they are usually quite happy being your sheep(BST pun haha).

Quote Originally Posted by Olor View Post
Well when you've just started a new character and toiled all the way to 90 (it took me about 4 months cause I can't play non-stop) - it is pretty sucky to be told to go level a new job if you want to play with other people
I created a character for my wife and its level 76 now with 85 limit atm. It took her 8 weeks or so to get to 76 through leeching my whisker farming parties. Keep in mind I also seal farm for jobs I've leveled, kill Sobek after farming KIs and work on random NMs as needed for drops or to help others in the LS so she wasn't grinding away 24/7 or anything remotely close to that.

Now I know what some will say about leeching being bad or how if you have 0 Cruor you can't shout and be the Key Person. Personal thoughts aside willingness to be a leader again means you prosper from it. If you're willing to take on the "leader" role you can get away with a lot such as getting 15-16 people to kill monsters and 1-2 key people. All while you reap the EXP and no one will complain because most people enjoy being sheep.


Quote Originally Posted by Olor View Post
Then you are still stuck even if you do level another job because you can't afford to gear it properly/get spells for it/whatever and people don't necessarily want to help you.
If you do some research you'll find that 1 Cruor is worth 2.5 Gil. Since you're leading EXP runs and you have others opening boxes for you, you are profiting from all that Cruor. After a few runs you'll be at 70 so you can work on skill ups to take on Maat and you'll have a few hundred thousand Cruor saved up you can turn into Gil, before you know it you'll have over a million Gil to spend on gear.

Quote Originally Posted by Olor View Post
Now, I am fairly lucky to have a nice LS - but still there isn't many of us and everyone has different goals, and people are often with pick up groups and stuff so - it isn't very often that people are able to put together a group for something they want out of LS mates. Add to that the fact that we aren't very pro (no one in the shell has an emp weapon for example) - and then it becomes clear that content that is designed for 18 people is really unfriendly to a LOT of the playerbase.
What content is designed for 18 people currently? Aside from Voidwatch possibly, not sure about that event yet I haven't checked it out.

TL : DR Having the guts to be the leader will get you very far in this game and any MMO.