WoEs

[katz]

So basically no more weapons for the soloists. Dont understand this game. Made relics soloist with the changes to dynamis and removed emps by making it 18 man. I guess I can throw away the coins Ive saved because they are useless now.

[Zagen]

So basically no more weapons for the soloists. Dont understand this game. Made relics soloist with the changes to dynamis and removed emps by making it 18 man. I guess I can throw away the coins Ive saved because they are useless now.

I don't understand the logic in doing things as a "soloist" in a massive multi-player online role playing game. Want it for an achievement of some sort? Cool then deal with it the way it works now, or works in the future but don't complain when a MMORPG doesn't cater to a "soloist"

[Kraggy]

I don't understand the logic in doing things as a "soloist" in a massive multi-player online role playing game.

The fact YOU don't understand it doesn't invalidate it, it shows your limited comprehension.

[Dreamin]

2 ONLY if you going to allow for instanced so that multiple group/people can go in regardless of size. For example, most of the time when I go, I go in to solo #3 for coins (DNC/NIN). So I would hate for me (a solo'er) to go in and locking up the zone for an ally of 18 who would have to wait until 30min or whatever time duration that you're going to make it into, plus another 30min of zone cool down (the current cool down).

If that's not likely, then still with #1. Yeah, I hear and understand all the ppl's complaint about leechers. But would you want multiple solo'er to lock out the entire zone if the zone won't be instanced? Or would you rather take a chance with some leechers and pray your lot dont suck for that run?

Otherwise, get rid of WoE and put the coins drop off something else. And please do not make WoE an once a day thing unless you are going to:
1. Increase drop rate of coins significantly.
2. Allow for some mechanism of trading in coin with another coin that people are targetting. [Alternatively, instead of coins, make the mobs drop something that can then in turn be exchanged for coins that the end user can specifically seleccted. There's nothing more frustrating then needing 1 last coin of 1 type and only seeing and getting coins of other type.]

[Olor]

I don't understand the logic in doing things as a "soloist" in a massive multi-player online role playing game. Want it for an achievement of some sort? Cool then deal with it the way it works now, or works in the future but don't complain when a MMORPG doesn't cater to a "soloist"

the trouble is not everyone can get a group for the things they want and need - especially when they are just starting out. As a BST, for example, no one will take me on seal runs. I've asked and they say "do you have another job?"

Well when you've just started a new character and toiled all the way to 90 (it took me about 4 months cause I can't play non-stop) - it is pretty sucky to be told to go level a new job if you want to play with other people.

Then you are still stuck even if you do level another job because you can't afford to gear it properly/get spells for it/whatever and people don't necessarily want to help you.

Now, I am fairly lucky to have a nice LS - but still there isn't many of us and everyone has different goals, and people are often with pick up groups and stuff so - it isn't very often that people are able to put together a group for something they want out of LS mates. Add to that the fact that we aren't very pro (no one in the shell has an emp weapon for example) - and then it becomes clear that content that is designed for 18 people is really unfriendly to a LOT of the playerbase.

[Zagen]

the trouble is not everyone can get a group for the things they want and need - especially when they are just starting out. As a BST, for example, no one will take me on seal runs. I've asked and they say "do you have another job?"

I joined a seal farming shout the other day that was led by a SMN. While the job has its uses but for seal farming it provides no real needed help, much like BST would. No one in the group questioned that the SMN went SMN to farm, we went with a NIN tank, BLM, and WHM to farm seals everyone got the seals they wanted and all were happy.

The difference between you and the SMN in my story is the SMN was the one shouting not asking to join a group, s/he took the role of leader (one few want myself included) and got the key jobs to farm seals with. If you don't have a "key" job then take the role of leader because most people don't want it, they are usually quite happy being your sheep(BST pun haha).

Well when you've just started a new character and toiled all the way to 90 (it took me about 4 months cause I can't play non-stop) - it is pretty sucky to be told to go level a new job if you want to play with other people

I created a character for my wife and its level 76 now with 85 limit atm. It took her 8 weeks or so to get to 76 through leeching my whisker farming parties. Keep in mind I also seal farm for jobs I've leveled, kill Sobek after farming KIs and work on random NMs as needed for drops or to help others in the LS so she wasn't grinding away 24/7 or anything remotely close to that.

Now I know what some will say about leeching being bad or how if you have 0 Cruor you can't shout and be the Key Person. Personal thoughts aside willingness to be a leader again means you prosper from it. If you're willing to take on the "leader" role you can get away with a lot such as getting 15-16 people to kill monsters and 1-2 key people. All while you reap the EXP and no one will complain because most people enjoy being sheep.

Then you are still stuck even if you do level another job because you can't afford to gear it properly/get spells for it/whatever and people don't necessarily want to help you.

If you do some research you'll find that 1 Cruor is worth 2.5 Gil. Since you're leading EXP runs and you have others opening boxes for you, you are profiting from all that Cruor. After a few runs you'll be at 70 so you can work on skill ups to take on Maat and you'll have a few hundred thousand Cruor saved up you can turn into Gil, before you know it you'll have over a million Gil to spend on gear.

Now, I am fairly lucky to have a nice LS - but still there isn't many of us and everyone has different goals, and people are often with pick up groups and stuff so - it isn't very often that people are able to put together a group for something they want out of LS mates. Add to that the fact that we aren't very pro (no one in the shell has an emp weapon for example) - and then it becomes clear that content that is designed for 18 people is really unfriendly to a LOT of the playerbase.

What content is designed for 18 people currently? Aside from Voidwatch possibly, not sure about that event yet I haven't checked it out.

TL : DR Having the guts to be the leader will get you very far in this game and any MMO.

[Olor]

TL : DR Having the guts to be the leader will get you very far in this game and any MMO.

Thanks, that was a nice post. I don't generally have trouble leveling up (it isn't difficult) - I do have limited playtime however, and would rather spend my limited time playing a job I want to play and gearing the job I want to play by playing that job - as opposed to leveling a job I don't want to play.

Luckily I do like playing BLU so leveling that doesn't bother me... but I still have a lot of sympathy for people who would rather solo than put up with the (oftentimes unreasonable) demands of others.

Also I agree with the above poster - It really is silly to pidgeonhole jobs when they can perform a lot of roles. BST can make a great tank - for example, for a party. It can also be DD, or support. It is a solid damage dealer with a meat shield that isn't an MP sponge. It does good things for a party.