WoEs

[Zagen]

Go to abyssea and do what? buy drops from other groups? I don't know any weapons that can be soloed up to the weaponskill by anyone.

Great Katana, Gun, Great Sword...
Carabosse - NIN/DNC
Cirein-croin - RDM, BLM, SCH all can solo it.

There you go and that's without brews.

With Luck I could see a NIN/DNC soloing Katana but Sobek tends to be a jerk a lot.

[Zetonegi]

Go to abyssea and do what? buy drops from other groups? I don't know any weapons that can be soloed up to the weaponskill by anyone.

NIN/DNC solo triggers then PUG the NM or just PUG the triggers and have em change jobs for the NM. Its not hard to do and you can get a decent number of pops done per run if you PUG triggers+NM. If you're against PUGing it or asking your LS to help then that's your problem and you're making it artificially more difficult on yourself and it doesn't change the fact that WoE is a horribly implemented system and its much easier to get an empy if you actually use all the tools available to you instead of blatantly shunning them.

[Alhanelem]

getting a group

Getting a group to kill NMs for you and give you these drops is not as simple as you think for many people.

[Ravenmore]

Getting a group to kill NMs for you and give you these drops is not as simple as you think for many people.

Yeah it is I see shout groups all the time doing this, not even the same group of people doing it. Whats funny is they shout for sobak or carabosse and they are at 6 shouting for more. Pugs being pugs safety in numbers I geuss.

[Alhanelem]

Yeah it is I see shout groups all the time doing this

1) Not all of those shout groups happen
2) you're right, it's not the same people doing it; that's what makes it so hard. You might get lucky and get one group that pops it once one day, some other group that pops it next week, yada yada. More often than not the people running it want what you want, thus you can't have it. The only likely exception is if you're doing staff, because no other weapon shares the same trial NM and nobody wants it.

It is not a simple matter. Just because you see people shouting for one of several different NMs here and tehre does not mean it's easy to join them AND get what you want.

When you're soloing/duoing with a friend, you have control over when you do stuff and you dont have competition. The unpopularity of WoE makes that even less of a problem. And again, with WoE, it's only one difficult, time consuming trial, not three (And if by some stroke of luck you DO have a group to do it with, you can probably get all three trials done in a day)

[Zagen]

1) Not all of those shout groups happen
2) you're right, it's not the same people doing it; that's what makes it so hard. You might get lucky and get one group that pops it once one day, some other group that pops it next week, yada yada. More often than not the people running it want what you want, thus you can't have it. The only likely exception is if you're doing staff, because no other weapon shares the same trial NM and nobody wants it.

It is not a simple matter. Just because you see people shouting for one of several different NMs here and tehre does not mean it's easy to join them AND get what you want.

When you're soloing/duoing with a friend, you have control over when you do stuff and you dont have competition. The unpopularity of WoE makes that even less of a problem. And again, with WoE, it's only one difficult, time consuming trial, not three (And if by some stroke of luck you DO have a group to do it with, you can probably get all three trials done in a day)

You'd be the one shouting... thus you'd make the rules to get what you want. Sure not all of the groups happen but a lot of them do at least on my server they do since I see the same people who shouted for Briareus now shouting for Sobek.

You sound like no matter what options are presented you won't be happy. Guess what you're the one holding you back not the other players on the server or in this forum.

It is really simple pick one of these options:
1. Make a few friends (3 at most is needed) who play similar schedules, and decide on Emps to do together.
2. Shout for PUG people wanting +2 items to help you get emp items.
3. Shout for PUG people to do WoE with you.
4. Suck it up, accept you're playing an MMO and refuse to take part in the "multiplayer" part of an MMO and solo for coins.

If none of these options are acceptable to you well you're playing the wrong genre of game.

[Ravenmore]

Hell one of the crap layers from titan shouted up every single NM he needed for his Almace. Seems he was good at shouting for help and getting it. People shout all the time for emp. weapon mobs offering the +2s as the carrot it seems to work. After a couple of days they move on to the next stage and start over. That is what I meant with not seeing the same people trying over and over. Guku is not even that big of a road block. I'm seeing more and more FC leech spot sellers in the coast now. If the shout says it's going to last 5 or so hours think how many KIs you will see.

[katz]

So you advocate doing abyssea over WOE because you do both with a group for coins or skins. Makes as much sense as saying get a WOE group or Get an abyssea group, just dont go solo. Seems to be alot of rat pack syndrome. "i cant do it solo, therefore no one should"

[Alhanelem]

You'd be the one shouting... thus you'd make the rules to get what you want. Sure not all of the groups happen but a lot of them do at least on my server they do since I see the same people who shouted for Briareus now shouting for Sobek.

You know what, I've tried that a bunch of times. Getting people by shouting isn't as easy as you think. I, nor the first one or two people I persuade want to wait an hour or more just to form a group to maybe kill an NM once or twice out of the 30 times needed.

WoE is substantially faster, and that's why it's available as an alternative.

[Zagen]

You know what, I've tried that a bunch of times. Getting people by shouting isn't as easy as you think. I, nor the first one or two people I persuade want to wait an hour or more just to form a group to maybe kill an NM once or twice out of the 30 times needed.

WoE is substantially faster, and that's why it's available as an alternative.

Something must be wrong with how you shout.

It takes 2 people(3 for TH if you aren't THF tanking) to kill 80 and 85 NMs. Anyone else is there for procing yellow/blue/red !! as desired. Unless you want to have plenty of bodies to throw at Sobek.

My friend and I tried duoing WoE single coins from crabs/antlions and in 3 weeks we got 1 coin I wanted and my friend got 0 before we gave up on soloing. In an additional 3 weeks with a WHM we got 50 helms for my sword and 50 for his katana, that's with KI farming from the NMs. It took us a month to get 50 skins for his katana with AoE Farming KIs a few days we did other things and a few lost Sobek's due to crazy Tyrant Tusks.

If you honestly think you can farm 30 coins that you need solo in 7 weeks, you're either crazy, luckiest person ever, or found a way to hack drops.