WoEs

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

I guess I was hoping for WoE to be a non-endgame endgame event, but that's not the direction this seems to be going, or where people want it to go.

Ah well. Something else to put on the back back back burner next to Limbus and Einherjar.

[Kimble]

Why can solo/duo limbus easily.

[Alkimi]

We are planning to have the number of rewards you earn vary based upon your evaluation.

I think it's been mentioned many many times that your 'evaluation' system simply does not work. It heavily favours certain jobs such as PLD and DNC whereas support jobs are generally evaluated poorly.

This is a huge part of the current problem with Walk of Echoes in that certain jobs can enter with you solo, spam abilities, contribute nothing to the fight and yet walk away with a 1st place chest.

[Eri]

I think it's been mentioned many many times that your 'evaluation' system simply does not work. It heavily favours certain jobs such as PLD and DNC whereas support jobs are generally evaluated poorly.

And Dnc Is a DD? a Mainhealer? a Tank? Its a varyable Supporter Type >_>

Though WoE evaluation System has mostly Dmg dealt or Taken in Favor that is the real issue.

Seriously thu add more use to WoE weapon-Trails except being a weaker Empy version. They got the potential!

[Alkimi]

Meant more solo dancers, who just come in and spam abilities/feed unnecessary TP for the sole purpose of ranking highly. They're not supporting anyone but themselves.

The personal chest for everyone idea (which is what it looks like it will be) isn't terrible, but basing it off a flawed evaluation system that punishes mage jobs is. What happened to their original plan of just making it an 18-person closed BCNM style event.

[Winrie]

Why is it even an issue if the coins arent stackable to 99, you only need 30 per weapon to upgrade, and if youre coin hoarding doing omfg5 weapons at once to the point you need that many coins at once, you are one of those obsessed players who has to have everything they want at once, trying to do it off a system that does not really work for that kind of thing. Secondly, in my personal opinion, why are people even complaining bout how hard it is to obtain a 'lesser' empyrean weapon when its double the time consumed to make one compared to the actual BETTER weapon? This doesnt make any sense to me to be honest.

[Eri]

You are right KINDA. I like Walk of echos! I don't claim the Weapons are worth the effort ATM!

BUT I like the event as it is kinda. So if im doing it already ... why not do a Weapon!
Since i really do fight for it i dont see an Issue UNLESS someone lots every single coin for the sake of Loting.
If you need one kind of Coin ~ Comment and Lot only that. The JP Community accepts that and will even take you in PT and pass for you, if you play by their Rules~

I finished Coins for my 2nd weapon.... one after the other so i went to a LOT of runs but being fair in a flawed lot situation is the lest you can do!
I stilly think the Event is good and would be a Lot more fun if the Weapons got a boost in some way via the next Trail maybe more ppl will come do the Event i like it.

On another note, there might be some ppl that simply dislike silly Exclamationmark stuff or Abys or BOTH but still want the WS! So yeah... :P

[Dragoy]

Why is it even an issue if the coins arent stackable to 99, you only need 30 per weapon to upgrade, and if youre coin hoarding doing omfg5 weapons at once to the point you need that many coins at once, you are one of those obsessed players who has to have everything they want at once, trying to do it off a system that does not really work for that kind of thing. Secondly, in my personal opinion, why are people even complaining bout how hard it is to obtain a 'lesser' empyrean weapon when its double the time consumed to make one compared to the actual BETTER weapon? This doesnt make any sense to me to be honest.

It's not a big issue, no, but would it be convenient?
Fer sure.

And to some people the weapon with the weapon skill only is a possibility while an Empyrean is not, or at least easier to go for.

Almost every coin is also used for more than one weapon, so one might want to collect more of them within a certain period of time, and then do the other trials at another.
I'm merely speculating, but there are reasons as to why it would be a good idea, while I can't really think of any reason as to why it would be a bad one.


As for the official responses up there, I wonder if all that came out as truly intended through the translation.

Does it mean it's technically difficult, or that they need to take great care with altering such a thing to not throw things off-balance for example...
I can't really fathom neither of these examples being the reason for it not happening though.

All in all, the vague-ö-meter is rather high up for those responses.

No rewards if the battlefield is not cleared? Surely the 'regular monsters' still have loot to be extracted from?
As the previously posted plans did state their drop'a'rate would be adjusted, I believe this is true...
And said loot would go into the treasure pool I imagine, and if/when the battlefield were to be cleared, everyone would get their own boxes, with loot varying according to the points the character has accumulated?

Or rather the rewards would be immediately shoved into the characters cramped baggies, causing them to burst not out of joy(euses), but urgh...


I'll just wait and see what happens.
Thinking a lot about Dynamis now, but that was not the way it was supposed to go.

OR

Another way to interpret that is that players enter, fight monsters and clear the battlefield and only then obtain any kind of a reward. Meaning no rewards at all if the battlefield is not cleared, elevating the difficulty-level towards, and beyond the near-by Atomos.
That is, of course, if the monster behaviour/strength is not meddled with.

I am thinking of the aforementioned scheme being the more likely one contemplated upon.


I'm both OK and not OK with the evaluation scheme. I don't really have any grudges against it, but I agree with the lot who say it is not balanced and far from great.
I always thought the point-system of Einherjar was/is nice, even though I never did it enough to actually use any of those points.
I do, however, wonder why this type of reward-system was not used more widely in the game...
Even the mere fact that you got some even if the battlefield was not cleared, was already pleasing more than lousy drop-rates of random'ish items and such...


I am eager to see what will become of it all, but with mixed feelings.
Like mentioned, I think I'll try to stop thinking about it and just wait and see. :V

[Sparthos]

The more and more I hear about this "new" WoE, the more and more it seems SE is making this event even more of an event few if any will do.

Currently the Empyrean weapon is far easier to acquire than the WoE vanillas. In order to combat this, we're getting a JP midnight lockout on the harder weapons? Eh?

The only way this would work is if coins dropped at an old dynamis rate off NQ mobs. You'd then have a situation where you don't have enough NQs to make the run worthwhile for a group. Again, Abyssea would be a better option.

This plan to eliminate the final lootpool is silliness. If we're going to be reserving the run, why would you get rid of that pool? Individuals would only bring in who they want so lootpools wouldn't be a big deal.

Evaluation systems again SE? Why? Is a point system so difficult to create? Kill mob -> get points -> turn points in for what you want. All this evaluation formula will do is hurt certain classes and promote abuse via buffs or whatever turns out to be worth the most points.

WoE seems to be taking 2 steps forward and 5 steps back.

[Raksha]

My LS does WoE for the money drops, so we have coins coming out the wazoo. I have enough free lot coins to make 4 weapons now if i had the time to do the magian trials. Making them stack to 99 would be great for me!

I realize I'm not typical in this regard though.