WoEs

[scaevola]

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The only reason to go after the Emp-WS-only weapons rather than a full-on Empyrean is that you can make progress through the later stages solo. Close off solo access to WoE and there's really no point in even bothering with it. WoE attracts soloers because it is easy; there's no need for a reservation system because it's not hard enough to require anything close to a genuinely organized group. There may have been some traction to the idea of soloers "stealing" ranking at level 80, but now if a soloer beats one of your party members in ranking it's your own fault for thinking you needed more than 3 people to begin with.

I am currently 10-15 coins deep on four different weapons, and I have only once encountered a group larger than 2 people in WoE. That was 4. People who complain about "leeches" are really complaining about people like me: soloers perfectly capable of killing mobs for coins who would themselves would prefer that they could do so alone and in peace. All that's really going on here is that people want coins and see this as an opportunity to force out competition with every bit as much of a right to those coins as they have.

At any rate, I'm not going to stop working on my WoE weapons either way so everybody voting 2 can look forward to being locked out of WoE forever by a succession of me and all the soloing DNC and NIN friends I've made along the way~

[Vazerus]

What is stopping you from soloing an "assault-style reservation" battlefield, unless they make it a requirement to have 2+ people?

[scaevola]

What is stopping you from soloing an "assault-style reservation" battlefield, unless they make it a requirement to have 2+ people?

Nothing at all, but if WoE is constantly reserved by a succession of soloers who don't want or need to compete with anyone else for the coin drops, people voting 2 might reevaluate their stance.

EDIT: Oh, I understand what you're saying. Instanced WoE would be totally fine; if coin droprates were increased I could even get behind a once-per-RL-day lockout.

um no actually... i'm complaining about leeches because my linkshell does WoE with a full party and actually clears the zone.

Then if my experience with people who actually do WoE serves as a model, you are in the extreme minority because most people capable of fielding a party to farm a weapon with an Empyrean weapon skill are smart enough to realize it's quicker, simpler, and MUCH more rewarding to make an actual Empyrean weapon.

[Doombringer]

um no actually... i'm complaining about leeches because my linkshell does WoE with a full party and actually clears the zone.

then one of the "soloers" (read: leech) shows up to "help" (read:leech) and does nothing but force us to go again. (of course once leeches show up i always vote we immediately leave. yes it's cutting the nose to spite the face but if we all did it maybe they'd give up trying to leech)

[Cream_Soda]

People who complain about "leeches" are really complaining about people like me: soloers perfectly capable of killing mobs for coins who would themselves would prefer that they could do so alone and in peace.

You couldn't be any more wrong.

I have no problem with people who want to do that.

I simply wait for them to finish and go while it's cooling down.

I've even offered for "soloers" to go first if they want to go and it usually ends with a stand off and them not entering until we do, waiting specifically for our run.

I have no problem with soloers. I do have problems with people who go out of their way to try to get into our run

[InfamousDS]

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Base it on monster HP and standard Alliance drops. Once per Earth day is idiotic. Zone-wide lotting is good idea, but humanity being what we are... well, the negativity led to this topic. Voidwatch-like chest system, using a Campaign-like ranking to determine breadth of rewards. That way, groups who try to clear: can. Everyone in the zone stands to gain, leechers can't "ninja" coins from the alliance unless they are top-tier DD, and soloers can hang out in a corner while the alliance clears the zone. While you are at it, remove the Ex tag to make coins trade-able to reduce competition over-all. Nobody is excluded using this system, as the chests don't divide into 1st, 2nd, or 3rd and give the exact same loot based on point tiers.

I.E.
DNC/sam attacks Mob A and holds it while dealing moderate DoT.
Alliance enters area, walks past the Soloer and proceeds to clear the area.
DNC/sam kills his first mob, pulls another, repeats.
Win.
DNC/sam accumulated 400 points, and his reward is 2 pouches. (Average)
Alliance Leader gets 900 points, he acquires 3 items and 3 pouches. (Top Tier)
Remaining members vary between 200 and 700 points, getting 1 Item for the 200s and up to 5 drops for the 700s.
Everyone trades the coins they acquired (and don't need) to the DNC, who gives them (in return) the coins he didn't need.
Peace is acquired!

[katz]

Just make the whole one single player. No alliances allowed. Soon make people realize other solo players have the right to play the zone too. I reallly dont understand the mentality of 1 player vs many and they many moan that the single player "stole" stuff from them. The whole point of the zone is so that the coins drop for anyone. Make it so the good players ie the soloists can get more, then the leeching LS people get less. Seems much fairer to the soloist who can.

[Cream_Soda]

lol, I like how you completely skipped over what I said.

[Rearden]

lol, I like how you completely skipped over what I said.

I like this quote more:

Make it so the good players ie the soloists can get more, then the leeching LS people get less. Seems much fairer to the soloist who can.

[scaevola]

lol, I like how you completely skipped over what I said.

What is there to say to it? If you're bringing so many people to WoE that you can't accommodate a random soloer ranking, you're wasting time when you could using that manpower to make an Empyrean instead. Your poor resource management skills are not a reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Personally, I think the best solution would be to do away with this silly ranking system entirely and give everybody the loot, but that's apparently not on the table, so.