WoEs

[Dragoy]

Though please do consider the rest of the post as well, as certain details would definitely change my mind towards (1).

Firstly, being able to enter solo is necessary.

Secondly, the 24 hour wait does not sound good, even if the drop-rates were tremendously increased. While I don't exactly like using lots of time into tedious things really, I did sort of like spending time at WoE, sometimes whole days even! So I really don't like a chance of doing a 30 minute run only once per 24 hours.
It's really not all about the drop-rates here too, I want to be able to spend my time with events like this, if I want to, instead of having to wait for such long times (Assault is a good example too).

Nevertheless, it would require the drop-rates to be quite massively increase indeed, which it already is crying for with the current system... It took so long for me and my friend to get a weapon done each, weeks I think?

While I understand that if it gets crowded, there could be massive congestion. But I'm quite sure it could be alleviated in a different way.

I would really like to get some more information before deciding on this.

While there are issues, I would miss some aspects of (1), if I will ever do it again. Number (2) is however quite clearly winning this as is now, so I'm just hoping it will be done right.

I would like to also thank you a lot for asking about the players' opinion about this directly. Need more this!

Big thumbs-up ! !! !



Now some personal experiences in general.

It's not really an easy choice, because I actually most of the time ended up teaming up with nice (Japanese) people while doing it duo/trio and sometimes would kill the bosses even with 5 or so characters only.

And if there already was a group in, no one seemingly had a problem with teaming up. No one was leeching really.

Sometimes I might find a player soloing, then if we'd attack the same monster, they'd start running around like a headless chicken... I don't understand that at all; killing stuff faster would have helped these players as well.

I'm not sure if it was due to the time we were doing it (mostly no one else there than us, or if there were, they were Japanese mostly).

Sometimes I'd get quite rude tells without saying or doing anything, just waiting outside, telling me I am not to follow them in. What the heck is that? I understand that they might have had bad experiences with leechers who really do naught but harm, but seriously, I was just staring at the screen, thinking if this person is serious. It felt so ridiculous, but oh well, that only happened once.

I'm not claiming the American are just worse, as I said, mostly there were no one else than the few of us, and if there were, it was mostly Japanese when they had the time to play. And we would just naturally team up, and I think this is how WoE was intended to be.

[Xslayrx]

2, but more than 1 time per day.

[Andevom]

1) Because the moment you make this stuff reserved, you're going to have people who want to take control of their group, usually benefiting themselves more than others. They'll use the ultimate excuse of "Well I formed this group, so if you ever want a chance to get your coins, you'll do as I say" and things become too...businessy. It happened with Dynamis, it happens in Abyssea, it happens pretty much everywhere there are desirable drops that require a lot of members to get. WoE is an exception in that everyone has an equal chance, regardless of anyone else. Just revamp it so the coins aren't as hard to get.

Maybe every participant in the fight should (so long as they have engaged a target) get a chest at the end, and the higher up you are in rank, the more you get in your chest or the better your chances of getting coin pouches.

[Cream_Soda]

1) Because the moment you make this stuff reserved, you're going to have people who want to take control of their group, usually benefiting themselves more than others. They'll use the ultimate excuse of "Well I formed this group, so if you ever want a chance to get your coins, you'll do as I say"

And what part about that in WoE doesn't happen now?

When I shouted for pick up runs, I locked advancement coins. When I joined other people's shout groups, they locked the coin of their choice, etc.

Of course, you had no obligation to honor that, but lol someone lot what they're not supposed to, usually shunned by the group and of course never taken along again, so it still works even in shout groups.

Make the group, make the rules. I don't see how going 1 over 2 would come close to changing that

[Andevom]

And what part about that in WoE doesn't happen now?

Everyone can lot, anyone can enter. It's kind of hard to tell people they have to play by your set of rules when there's nothing to stop them from not. Again, it's not perfect the way it is now, but essentially making it like old Dynamis is just going to cause a different kind of monster.

[Zagen]

Everyone can lot, anyone can enter. It's kind of hard to tell people they have to play by your set of rules when there's nothing to stop them from not. Again, it's not perfect the way it is now, but essentially making it like old Dynamis is just going to cause a different kind of monster.

That's true about Dynamis, BCNMs, Abyssea Seal/+2 NMs, etc. as well nothing but your morals bound you to respect rules set forth by the organizer.

[Cream_Soda]

Everyone can lot, anyone can enter. It's kind of hard to tell people they have to play by your set of rules when there's nothing to stop them from not. Again, it's not perfect the way it is now, but essentially making it like old Dynamis is just going to cause a different kind of monster.

Ok, so it's stopping people from leeching then? That your only complaint?

Because any organized group, even with the current system, whether you shout or go with a ls will have some sort of lotting system when they enter.

Just because randoms and lot on everything, doesn't mean everyone in the organized group does.

For example, i want coin of glory. I join a shout group and the leader has advancement locked. Some random comes in and lots on glory who wasn't part of the group and wins. That doesn't mean that I'm going to lot advancement now when that drops.

[Andevom]

Ok, so it's stopping people from leeching then? That your only complaint?

I never made this claim. Actually, the fact that it doesn't stop people form leeching IS a problem, which is why it needs some kind of incentive for people to actively participate (hence my suggestion of giving everyone a chest if they pull their weight). The current system stops people from creating a strict set of rules that causes a ton of people to have to wait longer to get their coins. Which is good; there's enough of this in other events.

Because any organized group, even with the current system, whether you shout or go with a ls will have some sort of lotting system when they enter.

Just because randoms and lot on everything, doesn't mean everyone in the organized group does.

My point is that this doesn't need to be heavily organized at all. It can be like campaign, where you just go and do it.

For example, i want coin of glory. I join a shout group and the leader has advancement locked. Some random comes in and lots on glory who wasn't part of the group and wins. That doesn't mean that I'm going to lot advancement now when that drops.

But see, under the current system, the leader can't lock in advancement to start with. And he shouldn't be able to anyway, really. I'm sorry, I'm in favor of people being able to enter the event and try their luck at getting the coins. Everyone's on equal footing going in that way. But the main issue is people who go in and leech. I don't think the solution to this is make it like Dynamis. It's too drastic.

So, going back to the campaign example, maybe you have it so people join something comparable to a union in WoE. You help out, you get access to the spoils. You sit around and leech, you get nothing. This was such a good reward system that hasn't been implemented anywhere else. I know that nothing like this is being proposed at the moment (option 1 is the closest), but with some tweaking to the system, you can easily make it so leechers don't benefit as much.

[Manque]

If it is indeed one day reset, is there a way for it to reset at NA or EU midnight (I know they would have to pick a timezone to do this)?

A lot of things in game are JP midnight reset. It would be nice to have an NA or EU reset time, no? Is there a reason things must be JST reset??

[wish12oz]

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I don't like being forced to play with 16 gimps.