Common Courtesy

[blowfin]

I don't even think that's the point. The OP agreed to the deal (everyone in this thread including GG agreed it was a bad deal) and was even informed by the leader before they arrived to the BC. OP either misinterpreted the rules/realized it was a bad deal/didn't feel like using his orb for whatever reason at the last minute, warped and proceeded to the forums to call the leader shady. Sure you can the leader of the KSNM group was greedy/1-sided, but as Linh clearly states before hand the leader told him he could lot the Tongue in exchange for the King pop item from his orb and Linh agreeing. Weather or not the tongue would have dropped is irrelevant, you gave up the trig drop from your orb at a shot for a BB item.

That's the thing though, that wasn't the deal he entered into.

It was a classic case of misinterpretation.

Blame sits evenly with both the leader and the member if the deal isn't clarified.

Leader accepted the deal believing he'd get a free shank, or plotting to get a free shank. It's possible he hid details to his own advantage.

OP accepted the deal believing he'd get a tongue OR a shank. Which to be perfectly blunt, is pretty reasonable if the only thing he wants is the BB item. WHY WOULD YOU CHOOSE TO VOLUNTARILY COME BACK FROM THE BC WITH NOTHING? The OP isn't quite stupid enough to do that, and in his mind, that wasn't something he was doing.

OP tried to clarify the deal before his orb. Discovered it was quite different than what he assumed (the fair and reasonable thing). Warps out.

Those are the facts. Regardless of whether the leader was shady or not the fact remains that he let his run be a total going show and didn't attempt to iron out the misunderstandings in the deal before our OP warped out. Not that he would have cared because he already had his shank.

[Alkalinehoe]

That's the thing though, that wasn't the deal he entered into.

It was a classic case of misinterpretation.

Blame sits evenly with both the leader and the member if the deal isn't clarified.

I disagree. Sometimes when I lead shit I feel like I have explained the rules clearly. In this case, it's the member's responsibility to ask for clarification if they still do not understand the rules.

Leader accepted the deal believing he'd get a free shank, or plotting to get a free shank. It's possible he hid details to his own advantage.

Clearly. It's obvious the leader just wanted the trig for Behe. But key word, possible. Right now the OP has no SSs and the only thing we have to go on is his story, which he said was informed of the new agreement before the BC.

OP accepted the deal believing he'd get a tongue OR a shank. Which to be perfectly blunt, is pretty reasonable if the only thing he wants is the BB item. WHY WOULD YOU CHOOSE TO VOLUNTARILY COME BACK FROM THE BC WITH NOTHING? The OP isn't quite stupid enough to do that, and in his mind, that wasn't something he was doing.

I don't even.... You gave up your orb for a chance at a BB item. Weather or not it dropped is irrelevant. People had their orb before him and he had a chance to lot on those tongues if it dropped. It didn't, the OP got scared and ran away when his turn was up. The idea of your drop not dropping and you can take something else isn't reasonable, it borders on greed. If we did a seal NM, let's say with a pop set that is somewhat expensive (like Amarok), and in the first few pops no DNC seals dropped and my turn was up. I decided not to pop because I wanted to have all the other seals go to me too if DNC didn't drop. Would that really be a reasonable request?

OP tried to clarify the deal before his orb. Discovered it was quite different than what he assumed (the fair and reasonable thing). Warps out.

Again, wasn't fair or reasonable. He did try to clarify it, but he was still confused. It's up to him to try to understand.

Those are the facts.

Except not.