Common Courtesy

[Bubeeky]

Again, not a good deal, but he changed the deal when it was time for his orb. He's not in the right.

That part I do agree with...he should not have backed out of the third run, but by extension of that, he should have clarified the deal to begin with...I don't think he's changing the deal so much as new details of the deal came out after the fact...anyway, it's a learning experience for Linh.

[Greatguardian]

He didn't say whether he was the sole lotter or not, and I'm assuming that he wasn't since the deal was the chance to lot, but that's irrelevant...the fact is that he never got the chance he bargained for.

He was the sole lotter. He is just being dense and trying to twist what was said in order to make himself look like a victim.

"The deal was not for a Behemoth Tongue, but for the chance to lot it if it dropped."

Period. End of story. That's what was said. This does not mean that other people are lotting against him. That simply means that there is no obligation to get a Behemoth Tongue if one happens to not drop on any of the orbs.

And that's where you understand it (and him) wrong. He got three chances. The chance was not to lot against others, because he was the sole lotter. The chance was about the drop itself.

P: "For 10 bucks I'll toss this coin three times. If it's head, you win a prize."
L: "Alright."

First toss: Tails.
Second toss: Tails.

L: "Wait, do I have to pay even if it's tails again?"
P: "Yes. 10 bucks bought you a chance to try three times."
L: "You wrong me!"

Exactly this.

[JensenM]

Isnt this a game built around common courtesy though?

You try to do an NM, others are already there. Both groups take turns.

No.
I got bitched at for checking someone. Nobody cares about common courtesy.

[Bubeeky]

I don't understand why you are not clear on the fact that the tongue is not a 100% drop in this KS99. Everyone I know is aware of this fact. He had to realise that this might be the case and that the bargain he made might not cover this contingency. Bad deal. Buyer beware.

I realize that it's not a 100% drop...the deal was made on the basis that IF the tongue dropped, he'd have a chance at it. Unfortunately, the tongue did not drop, so unfortunately, the deal maker got screwed...such is life, and the deal doesn't exist if the tongue didn't drop...both Linh and the other guy should have cleared this up to begin with.

[Arcon]

He didn't say whether he was the sole lotter or not, and I'm assuming that he wasn't since the deal was the chance to lot, but that's irrelevant...the fact is that he never got the chance he bargained for.

It's not irrelevant, it's the core of the argument, because it means he did in fact have a chance. He got exactly what he bargained for. And the others didn't want it, because as Linh pointed out himself, they didn't even know it dropped from KS99 (and at least one of them has a Black Belt already). Only after he told them, they offered him that deal, which shows clearly that they had no interest in the tongue to begin with. He got exactly what he asked for (even more, since he backed out before upholding his part of the deal, which means he got two shots at a tongue for free). Three shots at a Black Belt for one shank, for someone who has no interest in a Defending Ring, that's as good as a deal is gonna get.

[Bubeeky]

He was the sole lotter. He is just being dense and trying to twist what was said in order to make himself look like a victim.

"The deal was not for a Behemoth Tongue, but for the chance to lot it if it dropped."

Period. End of story. That's what was said. This does not mean that other people are lotting against him. That simply means that there is no obligation to get a Behemoth Tongue if one happens to not drop on any of the orbs.

I'm not sure you fully understand what's been stated Greatguardian...he's never specified that he was or was not the sole lotter...if he was the sole lotter, then why would the deal have been for a chance and not the item itself? and for that matter, if there was not other potential lotters, why was the run done in the first place? He didn't start the run, the other guy did...Linh just joined along.

[Bubeeky]

kay, I'm tired of carrying on three+ seperate conversations at once lol, especially when there's really no benefit to continuing...the situation is past and gone and will be a learning experience for all, and is thus not worth arguin' about

anywho, <3 u all from the awesomest taru in Carby!

PS. I broke 100 posts!!! This is a happy occasion!

[Kindra]

Beastly Shank was part of the original deal yes. I was to be allowed to lot the BB item if it dropped on any orb (instead of only lotting it on my orb, since it is a YOYD) in return for giving up the Beastly Shank from my orb.

Following Pewpeww's logic, I was not even guaranteed the Tongue EVEN IF IT DROPS. Cuz by that logic, I'm only allowed to lot it right? Not win it.

EDIT: To answer your second question, no. It wasn't until we were at Ronfaure and after I supposedly convinced Pewpeww that Behemoth Tongue still dropped from KS99 (cuz he said it didn't anymore) that he sent me this /tell with the agreement.

This post says it all. You agreed and knew the agreement when going in. The chance to lot BB item for in exchange for your shank. I hate to say it but yes you are in the wrong here. If you had asked before getting started the question of what happens if it doesn't drop the BB item you probably wouldn't be having this issue because if you are like me you wouldn't have gone.

You still have yet to say if anyone else in the group was after the BB item as well. From my understanding this part is very unclear.

To avoid this type of thing ever happening again just do these things with friends. Its easier and far more fun this way anyway .

[blowfin]

Linh is either being intentionally dense for the sake of attempting to back up his own case, or is really just that bad. Either way, it's a red flag for anyone on Valefor. It's easy enough to add another name to the blist.

Quit being such an asswipe. I'm sure plenty of people here would have warped out at the realisation they were about to get screwed out of their orb, probably yourself included. We can just hope he's learnt and never has to "screw over" a known jerkwad again. You keep defending a leader who appears to have changed the rules on the fly an didn't bother to clarify what he wanted before they left jeuno. You know why people like Rog think the OP is wrong? They enjoy screwing people over who they see as more stupid than themselves.

Sure he might not have made the greatest deal, but I don't think that was intentional to be honest, at least he had the smarts to warp out before he got totally burnt.

My 2 cents.

This post says it all. You agreed and knew the agreement when going in. The chance to lot BB item for in exchange for your shank. I hate to say it but yes you are in the wrong here. If you had asked before getting started the question of what happens if it doesn't drop the BB item you probably wouldn't be having this issue because if you are like me you wouldn't have gone.

Did you not read the part about the deal being clarified by the leader and being quite different from the original one?

[Greatguardian]

The deal wasn't clarified by the leader halfway through. The original deal was YPYD only.

The OP then convinced the group that KS99 still dropped BB items (He says themselves that they thought it did not), and that he wanted them, and they finally said "Okay fine, you can lot the BB item if it drops on our orbs but in exchange we get your shank."

I'm not being an asswipe because of what the OP did, even if it was really stupid. I'm being an asswipe because he's spent the past 15 pages trying to play up a pity party for himself and refuses to acknowledge any wrongdoing or mistake on his part. None. At. All. According to him, he made 0 mistakes, and was simply conned from the get-go. Total crap.