Common Courtesy

[Octaviane]

I know neither the OP or Pewpeww, so can only say what many have said here. Make certain you have all the i's dotted and the t's crossed before joining a PUG for things of this nature. I don't understand why you wanted to go last because what you wanted hadn't dropped yet except that it seems you had no intention of sticking around to keep your end of the deal Linh. Nor do I know why you didn't understand the words "CHANCE TO LOT" in exchange for YOUR SHANK.

I would like to point out though that on the FFXIAH forums, I noticed that this Pewpeww is now offering to buy KS99 orbs. He isn't saying for how much, and only says that people will get a chance to lot BB items from HQ Kings when his LS does them. The word chance is key word here because BB drop rate is less than 100% from Kings and most definitely less than 30% from KS99's. My interpretation is of course that he is going to take advantage somehow simply because of the use of the words "chance to lot" in any deal he makes. I can see many people might mis-interpret this statement.

[Greatguardian]

Chance to lot means chance to lot. It's fairly straightforward. It's a bad deal if I ever saw one, but he's not being dishonest about it. In fact, it seems very upfront. Just don't take bad deals.

[Bubeeky]

I don't understand why ppl are so quick to judge the other person as being completely on the up and up...most of the posts I've read seem to attack Linh in some way for being stupid, gullible or otherwise at fault...maybe the other guy intentionally screwed Linh? Maybe the other guy isn't a saint and is kinda at fault?

[Volkai]

I don't understand why ppl are so quick to judge the other person as being completely on the up and up...most of the posts I've read seem to attack Linh in some way for being stupid, gullible or otherwise at fault...

Blaming the victim is a popular pastime, donchaknow.

maybe the other guy intentionally screwed Linh?

I think it's pretty clear that's the case

Maybe the other guy isn't a saint and is kinda at fault?

In the same way a loan shark is at fault - technically they aren't, but really....

[Greatguardian]

I don't understand why ppl are so quick to judge the other person as being completely on the up and up...most of the posts I've read seem to attack Linh in some way for being stupid, gullible or otherwise at fault...maybe the other guy intentionally screwed Linh? Maybe the other guy isn't a saint and is kinda at fault?

Pewpeww is a well-known piece of scum.

That doesn't mean the OP is in the right.

No one's threatening to break anyone's knee caps if they don't sign a deal and pay up. This isn't a loan shark, it's just a shitty bank. When you sign stupid contracts, sometimes you get screwed. The solution? Don't sign shitty contracts. Clarify everything in advance, and then simply don't go if you cannot reach mutually beneficial terms.

[Bubeeky]

I just don't understand why ppl have to berate Linh for a bad decision...we've all made poor decisions before, and when that happens, we need a little compassion from ppl, not post after post pointing out the stupidity of the initial decision...I'm sure Linh will learn from this experience without us pointing out the lack of forethought or beratement....

[Greatguardian]

When you make a poor decision, do you proceed to blame the other party and make threads on forums that leave out half the story in order to make yourself look like a poor, deceived victim of a con artist?

[Arcon]

I don't understand why ppl are so quick to judge the other person as being completely on the up and up...most of the posts I've read seem to attack Linh in some way for being stupid, gullible or otherwise at fault...maybe the other guy intentionally screwed Linh? Maybe the other guy isn't a saint and is kinda at fault?

I just don't understand why ppl have to berate Linh for a bad decision...we've all made poor decisions before, and when that happens, we need a little compassion from ppl, not post after post pointing out the stupidity of the initial decision...I'm sure Linh will learn from this experience without us pointing out the lack of forethought or beratement....

First of all, stop making him the victim. He didn't lose anything at all. He doesn't need our sympathy. He came here to post about how other people suck.

Secondly, I don't see anyone who berated him for his decision (at first). Everyone said something along the lines of "Sucks to hear that, should try to avoid these situations next time", but he kept going about how he was mistreated and wronged, and altered his story in misleading ways. And that is just wrong. It's not his decision that annoys me (or most people here, I'm guessing), but his inability to admit that shit happens, insisting on him being played. He misinterpreted them, that's all there is to it. Although frankly, I have no idea how you even could misinterpret that.

You can lot tongues on every run if we get your shank.

If no tongues drop, how is that a special case, an exception? It doesn't change a thing at all, it simply meant he was out of luck. That case is very well defined within these parameters (if what Linh was saying about it is the truth). He hasn't been wronged, used or mistreated in any way, he made a clear and well defined deal and when he realized what that deal meant for him if he doesn't get any tongues, he got cold feet and backed out. That's all there is to it.

Personally I'd find it insulting if I shouted for people who didn't need shanks, did KS99s with them, expecting their shanks, not because I'm greedy or selfish, but because it's part of the (very simple) deal and because I'm doing 3x KS99, letting them have an item off my runs which I could sell for upwards of 1M (or quite possibly higher after this update), and then that person backs out, leaving me with effectively 50% less loot. If I knew that person was gonna react this way, I wouldn't have invited him and shouted for others instead.

[HFX7686]

I don't understand why ppl are so quick to judge the other person as being completely on the up and up...most of the posts I've read seem to attack Linh in some way for being stupid, gullible or otherwise at fault...maybe the other guy intentionally screwed Linh? Maybe the other guy isn't a saint and is kinda at fault?

Linh is trying to convince us that he did not understand the word "chance" or the fact that the Behemoth Tongue isn't a 100% drop. He tried to change the deal when it was his turn, even though he agreed to the terms. Now he is looking for sympathy. If anyone is a con man here, it's Linh.

This Pewpeww fellow is a known bad guy and information about known bad guys in FF11 is available on multiple forums, including BG which has an entire section dedicated to making sure people know about known bad guys. In this case, however, I can't see that he did anything wrong except offer a deal which he had to know would likely leave Linh without a Behemoth Tongue due to the drop rates involved.

Really, Linh's best solution is to get his own run going. Obviously the KS99 is quit easy to do now and it shouldn't be difficult for him to find a few people to go with.

[Linh]

...This only means that the the deal was to remain intact even if 0 Behemoth Tongues dropped. That does not mean that he was expected to lot against everyone else when/if the Tongue dropped. Linh is either being intentionally dense for the sake of attempting to back up his own case, or is really just that bad. Either way, it's a red flag for anyone on Valefor. It's easy enough to add another name to the blist.

From your guys' logic and how things should be taken at face value, this:

"I'll give you the chance to lot on the Tongue if it drops, in return I get your shank."

Does NOT equal this:

"The deal was not for the BB item itself, but the chance for you to lot it if it drops on our orb. Even if it doesn't drop on your orb (meaning, "at all") we still get your shank."