Common Courtesy

[Greatguardian]

Beastly Shank was part of the original deal yes. I was to be allowed to lot the BB item if it dropped on any orb (instead of only lotting it on my orb, since it is a YOYD) in return for giving up the Beastly Shank from my orb.

Following Pewpeww's logic, I was not even guaranteed the Tongue EVEN IF IT DROPS. Cuz by that logic, I'm only allowed to lot it right? Not win it.

Okay no. You're 100% in the wrong. Thanks for making this thread. Sure, it backfired for you. But the rest of us know who never to invite to things.

[Linh]

Okay no. You're 100% in the wrong. Thanks for making this thread. Sure, it backfired for you. But the rest of us know who never to invite to things.

So if Behemoth Tongue had dropped I'm only allowed to lot it right, and not win it? And I have to give up my Beastly Shank regardless?

[Jar]

Wtf pewpeww is kind of notorious for a douchebag on caitsith that left he was always stealing shit LS banks and the sort~

[Greatguardian]

So if Behemoth Tongue had dropped I'm only allowed to lot it right, and not win it? And I have to give up my Beastly Shank regardless?

Yes. You're already lotting on someone else's orb. That doesn't guarantee you a win on the lot. That means you're lotting on someone else's orb. It's not anyone else's fault that you made what appears to be a stupid deal for you and then got greedy. Because that's all that happened.

The deal was you had the opportunity to lot a drop which was not yours if it dropped, in exchange for a 100% drop from your orb. You took their concession and then ran. You scammed them. They just got lucky that they lost nothing from it.

I don't care how notorious Futchy is. I know all about Futchy. That doesn't mean this guy is any less guilty.

Edit: Hell, if this guy even knew who Futchy was and was intentionally trying to scam him because it's freaking Futchy, I'd have just laughed and been okay with it. But this guy does not know who Futchy is, and this could have just as easily happened to some other random person.

[Linh]

Yes. You're already lotting on someone else's orb. That doesn't guarantee you a win on the lot...

That's treating your fellow man like crap, and you know it.

[Greatguardian]

That is them doing you a favor and saying "Even though this is supposed to be mine according to the rules, I will give you the opportunity to cast lots on it in exchange for X."

You know what common courtesy really is, buddy?

If someone offers you the chance to lot on their orb without any strings attached, common courtesy is letting them lot something from your orb that they want with no strings attached. Unfortunately, common courtesy is rare these days and people just take something for nothing whenever they can get it. Thus people make arrangements before events in order to ensure that some form of equity is maintained.

Common Courtesy:
Player A shouts to give away AF3 feet they don't need.
Player B gets said boots from Player A, and thanks him by tipping him in some fashion, usually 50k or 100k for their trouble.

Common Practice Situation A:
Player A shouts to give away AF3 feet they don't need
Player B takes the feet and disbands, forgetting the guy's name within a couple days and neither paying forward or paying back the favor.

Common Practice Situation B:
Player A shouts to sell AF3 boots they don't need for 50k because no one has common courtesy these days
Player B freaks out, calls Player A a prick, makes a warning thread about them on FFXIAH, and otherwise verbally abuses someone whose only expectation was that people reciprocated his courtesy. He could have just let the chest depop.

People who can only take favors and can never repay them or return them in kind are just leeches on the system.

[Linh]

That is them doing you a favor and saying "Even though this is supposed to be mine according to the rules, I will give you the opportunity to cast lots on it in exchange for X."

You know what common courtesy really is, buddy?

Not treating your fellow man like crap by making it so he can only lot the item and not even win it^-^

Yes. You're already lotting on someone else's orb. That doesn't guarantee you a win on the lot.

[blowfin]

It wasn't until we were at Ronfaure and after I supposedly convinced Pewpeww that Behemoth Tongue still dropped from KS99 (cuz he said it didn't anymore) that he sent me this /tell with the agreement.

So he accepted the original deal based on the fact that he thought BB item didn't drop.

SCUMBAG.

If someone offers you the chance to lot on their orb without any strings attached, common courtesy is letting them lot something from your orb that they want with no strings attached.

What are you smoking? 100% right to lot on the Shank should result in 100% right to lot on the first BB item.

[Greatguardian]

What part of the transition from:

"This is YPYD, you cannot lot on anyone else's stuff no matter how much you want it"

to

"This is YPYD, but you're welcome to cast a lot on Behemoth Tongue if it drops on my orb if you want"

do you not understand? Christ, some people have absolutely no sense of common decency.

So he accepted the original deal based on the fact that he thought BB item didn't drop.

SCUMBAG.

You're misreading his post. Here are things in order:

1) Pewpeww did not know Behe Tongue dropped from KS99, and sets up the run as YPYD.
2) Linh gets to Ronfaure and convinces Pewpeww that Behe Tongue drops from KS99
3) Pewpeww then proposes the deal to allow Linh to lot Tongue on all orbs in exchange for his Pop
4) Linh agrees to this proposal.
5) The first two KS99 are fought and won
6) Linh pulls back on the original agreement and warps.

Edit2:

What are you smoking? 100% right to lot on the Shank should result in 100% right to lot on the first BB item.

Except that's exactly what I said. If they're both free lotting the tongue, he would just free lot his shank. If he's solo lotting the tongue, they're solo lotting his shank. I never said he would be free lotting the tongue and then not lotting his own shank. That's just your misinterpretation.

[blowfin]

1) Pewpeww did not know Behe Tongue dropped from KS99, and sets up the run as YOYD.
1a) Pewpeww accepts the deal thinking he's getting a free shot at a HQ pop item
2) Linh gets to Ronfaure and convinces Pewpeww that Behe Tongue drops from KS99
3) Pewpeww then proposes the deal to allow Linh to lot Tongue on all orbs in exchange for his Pop
4) Linh agrees to this proposal.
5) The first two KS99 are fought and won
6) Linh pulls back on the original agreement and warps.

More like the above. Both parties are at fault really. I just don't think you need to go quite so far with vilifying the OP to be perfectly honest.

Except that's exactly what I said. If they're both free lotting the tongue, he would just free lot his shank. If he's solo lotting the tongue, they're solo lotting his shank. I never said he would be free lotting the tongue and then not lotting his own shank. That's just your misinterpretation.

Needed more clarity really. You implied that it would be fine for the other members to lot on the same tongue too.