Common Courtesy

[Linh]

All I'm saying is I doubt he used you. If I made that kinda deal with you, I would expect the same thing as he did. It's not taking advantage of you, there's no naivety involved. As was stated before, you agreed to a certain rule, but then expected an exception to the rule.

"I lot this, you lot that."

That's all that has been said. There's no "unless" clause. There's no "but I didn't get anything so far, why shouldn't I lot now?", that's no argument at all. That would actually be unfair to him, because you had your fair chance. Sometimes you just lose, that's all there is to it. I don't believe you got tricked, it's simply a deal you agreed to (a very fair one, that is commonplace in FFXI), and as such I don't think it violates common courtesy.

How do I lose everything in a YOYD run ;;

It's not like I live in a perpetual state of some movie where I'm expecting this type of action to be used. It's in retrospect that I see it. Like "hey, doesnt this sound familiar? Like those lawsuits of this or that which you see in random news articles?"

[Zyeriis]

How do I lose everything in a YOYD run ;;

It's not like I live in a perpetual state of some movie where I'm expecting this type of action to be used. It's in retrospect that I see it. Like "hey, doesnt this sound familiar? Like those lawsuits of this or that which you see in random news articles?"

1) Lost nothing, as you backed out because they wouldn't take back the deal just because it was your turn.
2) Them being able to lot the Tongue as well, on their orbs, has nothing to do with you trying to back out of the deal just because it didn't drop on their orbs.
3) You are making assumptions again (and still) that you wouldn't have been able to lot the shank, which was nowhere in the deal you mentioned and you could've said that to counter the fact that they could still lot on the Tongue). The deal only mentioned that everyone would be able to lot the Tongue (and by extension the Shank) if one of them dropped, regardless of orb. It worked both ways, he didn't "con" you, you made a deal, made assumptions, and backed out under false reasoning AFTER the fact that they used their orbs.

[Linh]

1) Lost nothing, as you backed out because they wouldn't take back the deal just because it was your turn.
2) Them being able to lot the Tongue as well, on their orbs, has nothing to do with you trying to back out of the deal just because it didn't drop on their orbs.
3) You are making assumptions again (and still) that you wouldn't have been able to lot the shank, which was nowhere in the deal you mentioned and you could've said that to counter the fact that they could still lot on the Tongue). The deal only mentioned that everyone would be able to lot the Tongue (and by extension the Shank) if one of them dropped, regardless of orb. It worked both ways, he didn't "con" you, you made a deal, made assumptions, and backed out under false reasoning AFTER the fact that they used their orbs.

and again, I said it is a common Confidence Man tactic to "pull a fast one" on someone. I'm pretty sure "Confidence Man Tactic" is not the term correct term, but I can't for the life of me think of the correct one. Ya know, something akin to a Pyramid Scheme...but obviously NOT one. In the same group of "terms".

And if it's so common why did it (almost) work? Cuz I don't like to jus instantly think someone who I've never met before will pull a trick on me that I've heard about in news articles or such to con people. It's in retrospect.

[Zyeriis]

and again, I said it is a common Confidence Man tactic to "pull a fast one" on someone.

And if it's so common why did it (almost) work? Cuz I don't like to jus instantly think someone who I've never met before will pull a trick on me that I've heard about in news articles or such to con people. It's in retrospect.

You do realize that one could make you look like the one who "pulled a fast one" by not using your orb after they used theirs don't you? "You will have a chance to lot the Tongue if it drops on one of our orbs if we get the chance to lot the shank on yours" is pretty clear, if you ask me.

If it had dropped, and you had won the item, you may as well have ran off without using your orb. You ran off because you didn't understand the word "chance" and then tried to "pull a fast one" by asking if they could get rid of the "if we get the chance to lot the shank on your orb" part of the deal, because the part of the deal that you were interested in could no longer occur, and then leaving once they said no (regardless of you being unable to understand the word "chance" in the deal, that has nothing to do with it, even included, your actions/motives are the only ones i can question now).

[Linh]

You do realize that one could make you look like the one who "pulled a fast one" by not using your orb after they used theirs don't you? "You will have a chance to lot the Tongue if it drops on one of our orbs if we get the chance to lot the shank on yours" is pretty clear, if you ask me.

If it had dropped, and you had won the item, you may as well have ran off without using your orb. You ran off because you didn't understand the word "chance" and then tried to "pull a fast one" by asking if they could get rid of the "if we get the chance to lot the shank on your orb" part of the deal, because the part of the deal that you were interested in could no longer occur, and then leaving once they said no (regardless of you being unable to understand the word "chance" in the deal, that has nothing to do with it, even included, your actions/motives are the only ones i can question now).

But that's not what happened.