Common Courtesy

[Linh]

Isnt this a game built around common courtesy though?

You try to do an NM, others are already there. Both groups take turns.

[Zyeriis]

Isnt this a game built around common courtesy though?

You try to do an NM, others are already there. Both groups take turns.

Not a good comparison (also, not everyone waits their turn like you would hope). He said he'd give you a chance not that if it dropped that you could keep it without being lotted against. If anything, he gave you a concession, you merely misunderstood the concession. By agreeing to that concession, you agreed to let other people, also have that concession, should the item have dropped on your orb. What he did was common courtesy.

Side Note: Not sure what you mean by "your shank". I can only make the assumption that it was referring to them getting everything else that drops on your orb. If that's the case, you made a bad deal and shouldn't have used your orb. You will need to clarify this before continuing.

[Linh]

Not a good comparison (also, not everyone waits their turn like you would hope). He said he'd give you a chance not that if it dropped that you could keep it without being lotted against. If anything, he gave you a concession, you merely misunderstood the concession. By agreeing to that concession, you agreed to let other people, also have that concession, should the item have dropped on your orb. What he did was common courtesy.

I don't see how it's common courtesy to "sign a contract to willingly give away stuff even if the item I want doesn't drop". It's a "Confidence Man Tactic"! "You are stupid and naive, we took advantage of that." How is that common courtesy?

Plus, the shout was clearly for a "YOYD" run.

Side Note: Not sure what you mean by "your shank". I can only make the assumption that it was referring to them getting everything else that drops on your orb. If that's the case, you made a bad deal and shouldn't have used your orb. You will need to clarify this before continuing.

I did not trade my orb at all when I was told this. and the shank is the "Beastly Shank" used to force pop Behemoth in "Behemoth's Dominion".

[Zyeriis]

I don't see how it's common courtesy to "sign a contract to willingly give away stuff even if the item I want doesn't drop". It's a "Confidence Man Tactic"! "You are stupid and naive, we took advantage of that." How is that common courtesy?

Plus, the shout was clearly for a "YOYD" run.



I did not trade my orb at all when I was told this. and the shank is the "Beastly Shank" used to force pop Behemoth in "Behemoth's Dominion".

I don't think your following me here. The shout was YOYD, you asked for something that went against that, and he said yes (this is a concession as it broke the pre-established rule, the very same rule you are arguing that would've prevented you from making the deal in the first place). The deal, from what I read, was that they removed the YOYD rule from one specific item, that item being the Tongue. Not that it matters, but you didn't make mention of the shank in your line about the tell you sent him. I am led to believe that the deal you made to allow the exception to the YOYD pre-established rule regarding the Tongue was agreed upon under the condition that the same be done for the Shank, thus adding another exception to the rule (the shank). Meaning, had the shank dropped on one of their orbs, you would've been able to lot it as well.

As you didn't ask specifically whether or not you would be the only one allowed to lot the Tongue (regardless of whether other people could lot the shank) before-hand, what occurred was in no-way his fault. He said what he meant, you made an assumption. In the end, you didn't lose anything, other than the time it took to do the first two runs, you should consider yourself lucky for not losing anything during such a misunderstanding. Next time, ask for specific clarification before joining. Think of it as common courtesy toward yourself. (Common courtesy doesn't fall under the jurisdiction of the person you are making the deal with to make absolutely sure you know what said deal is, if not asked for clarification, which tbh in this case, he did when he said "chance to lot".)

Edit: You also tried to change the deal right before your orb, which honestly, is pretty rude and no one would ever agree to that. If anything, you were the one trying to break the deal, AFTER they had used their orbs, which, let's face it, is the exact opposite of common courtesy.

[Linh]

I don't think your following me here. The shout was YOYD, you asked for something that went against that, and he said yes (this is a concession as it broke the pre-established rule, the very same rule you are arguing that would've prevented you from making the deal in the first place).

He offered it in the first place by sending me a tell.

Again, all of that is kaput cuz isn't this going against the nature of common courtesy towards even your fellow man? They were trying to take something from me and in return I received nothing.

I don't know how else to describe it. A Capitalist Way of Thinking? A Republican Way of Thinking? A Confidence Man tactic?

I wanted to believe in the good-natured will of people. Not to have words be thrown about and twisted like he did.

[Zyeriis]

He offered it in the first place by sending me a tell.

Again, all of that is kaput cuz isn't this going against the nature of common courtesy towards even your fellow man? They were trying to take something from me and in return I received nothing.

I don't know how else to describe it. A Capitalist Way of Thinking? A Republican Way of Thinking? A Confidence Man tactic?

I wanted to believe in the good-natured will of people. Not to have words be thrown about and twisted like he did.

Only need to change "you asked for" to "he asked if you wanted " and "he said yes" to "you said yes" in the second sentence I made. Refer to the edit on my previous post at the bottom. He increased your chances at getting the Tongue with this deal while increasing his chances at getting the Shank. Where's the fault exactly? Other than you trying to back out because it was your turn and it hadn't dropped yet?

[Linh]

Only need to change "you asked for" to "he asked if you wanted " and "he said yes" to "you said yes" in the second sentence I made. Refer to the edit on my previous post at the bottom. He increased your chances at getting the Tongue with this deal while increasing his chances at getting the Shank. Where's the fault exactly? Other than you trying to back out because it was your turn and it hadn't dropped yet?

Because he wanted to take my Shank under a common tactic to trick naive people leaving me with nothing.

And of course I'm naive. I'm human just like anyone else with feelings. I don't WANT to believe that someone would take away my second chance at getting a BB item and leave me with no tongue.

[rog]

Again, all of that is kaput cuz isn't this going against the nature of common courtesy towards even your fellow man? They were trying to take something from me and in return I received nothing.

No you did not. You received a chance at an item. The actual item was never offered to you, simply the chance for it.

Sorry, but YOU are the one being unreasonable, not them.

[Linh]

No you did not. You received a chance at an item. The actual item was never offered to you, simply the chance for it.

Sorry, but YOU are the one being unreasonable, not them.

No one in their right mind would make this deal unless:

1. They didn't fully understand and were taken advantage of beforehand

2. REALLY didn't wanna fight regular Behemoth and King Behemoth

It's not unreasonable to expect common courtesy from my fellow man by not having this Confidence Man tactic thrown at me

[Arlynne]

Linh just come clean with the full story if you want sympathy.

He brought 2 characters to the BCNM. He had agreed to give up one of his shanks in exchange for being able to lot the tongue when it dropped. After Pewpew's run, which went smoothly, he went and they failed because Pewpew left the bcnm at 10% thinking they would be fine to finish without him. When Linh was asking if he had to give up his other shank to lot the tongue, the Leader rushed into the next bcnm before answering him. At this point most of us would be upset if not suspicious. So yeah he didn't want to have to give up his other shank if the tongue didn't drop since Pewpew had caused them to fail Linh's first run. IDK if Pewpew did that on purpose, but he was in Jueno selling King Behemoth runs the next day so I wouldn't put it past him to try and monopolize the market.