Common Courtesy

[Arcon]

Yes, and when it was down to the last orb (mine) no Tongue had dropped, so I asked "So if the TONGUE still doesnt drop, I get to keep shank right? Since it is MY orb."

"No, the deal was for a CHANCE to lot the TONGUE on our orbs in return for your shank. Not for the item itself. You misunderstood."

Sorry then, but I'll have to side with them. That's actually a common occurence, and it seems logical to me. If you think about it, they put their own time into helping you kill it, the fact that it's only a chance at the item is irrelevant, because that's what it always is, it's a calculated risk. If you put yourself in their shoes, it's just the same thing, they were expecting to get a chance at a shank, that's why they agreed to team up with you. However, if you now say they can only have it if the tongue doesn't drop, that lowers their chance at a shank to 25% of that what it would normally be, so one quarter the chance they previously had. That is pretty significant, they may not have agreed to this in the first place.

Imo it can't just be written off as a lack of common courtesy, because it would be a significant loss on their part. As I said, this is a quite commonplace deal, trade the chance at some items for a chance at others, regardless of the outcome, and imo it's perfectly fair like that.

The one thing I've noticed, over and over in this game over the last 7 years or so, is that many people will bend over backwards to help strangers out, provided they don't stand to gain anything at all from it. Throw in the opportunity for personal gain in the process though, and those same players become the most selfish, unreasonable people imaginable.

I don't know where you made that observation, but it seems you're not anywhere near where I've been.

Me and most people I know often help random strangers with anything, often even refusing rewards. Maybe you confuse it with something else, I had this happen once on a Yaanei shout. Someone asked for help, said he didn't want any drops. So I invite him and say we're ready to go, and after a while it was dead, I personally got red and blue and kept myself alive while he stood and watched, Aias Bonnet dropped. He got win, Atma and then wanted to lot still. I told him he said he didn't want any items, to which he countered "but I was here too, it's only fair". So I let him have it and warped.

Maybe the thing about an "opportunity for personal gain" is because it's something annoying and tedious, and you wouldn't do it normally, especially when there's plenty of other people who would. So if someone tells you you can have some form of a reward (items, gil, whatever) which you actually want, and that convinces you to go help them, then you are entitled to it. There's nothing selfish about it, you made a deal, both sides are supposed to keep up their part.