Common Courtesy

[HFX7686]

From your guys' logic and how things should be taken at face value, this:

"I'll give you the chance to lot on the Tongue if it drops, in return I get your shank."

Does NOT equal this:

"The deal was not for the BB item itself, but the chance for you to lot it if it drops on our orb. Even if it doesn't drop on your orb (meaning, "at all") we still get your shank."

You said there were two other people there. Did either of them express interest in lotting the Behemoth Tongue against you at any point?

[Bubeeky]

the deal as I understand it Greatguardian was for a chance at the tongue...when the tongue didn't drop on one of the previous orb runs, the deal was null and void...you don't pay the auction house when you lose a bid do you? Linh never got the chance he made the deal for so the way you're interpreting it, Linh should pay for a service he never recieved...I'd understand what you're saying if the tongue did drop and he just lost the lot and was trying to back out of the deal, but that's not the case...through no maliciousness, the other guy couldn't uphold his end of the bargain, so Linh shouldn't be expected to pay for that.

[HFX7686]

the deal as I understand it Greatguardian was for a chance at the tongue...when the tongue didn't drop on one of the previous orb runs, the deal was null and void...you don't pay the auction house when you lose a bid do you? Linh never got the chance he made the deal for so the way you're interpreting it, Linh should pay for a service he never recieved...I'd understand what you're saying if the tongue did drop and he just lost the lot and was trying to back out of the deal, but that's not the case...through no maliciousness, the other guy couldn't uphold his end of the bargain, so Linh shouldn't be expected to pay for that.

Linh had to realise that the tongue wasn't 100% drop however. He's trying to claim he didn't understand this fact nor what the word "chance" means.

I'm not saying it was a good deal, but it was, however, a clear deal. He understood the deal and then tried to change it when it was time for his orb.

[Bubeeky]

I understand that HFX, but the deal was for a chance....he never got that chance, so he shouldn't have to pay for a chance he never received...if he was just complaining that he lost the lot and had to pony up his shank still, that would be a different story, but he flat out never got the chance he made the deal for.

[HFX7686]

I understand that HFX, but the deal was for a chance....he never got that chance, so he shouldn't have to pay for a chance he never received...if he was just complaining that he lost the lot and had to pony up his shank still, that would be a different story, but he flat out never got the chance he made the deal for.

The chance is being in the KS99. The tongue has a chance to drop every run. I think that stating without a drop to lot on he doesn't have to pay up is just twisting words about.

I doubt very much the other two people there were after BB items, they likely wanted to go for KB pops and defending ring drops.

[Arcon]

I understand that HFX, but the deal was for a chance....he never got that chance, so he shouldn't have to pay for a chance he never received...if he was just complaining that he lost the lot and had to pony up his shank still, that would be a different story, but he flat out never got the chance he made the deal for.

And that's where you understand it (and him) wrong. He got three chances. The chance was not to lot against others, because he was the sole lotter. The chance was about the drop itself.

P: "For 10 bucks I'll toss this coin three times. If it's head, you win a prize."
L: "Alright."

First toss: Tails.
Second toss: Tails.

L: "Wait, do I have to pay even if it's tails again?"
P: "Yes. 10 bucks bought you a chance to try three times."
L: "You wrong me!"

[Bubeeky]

Being in the run is not the chance...the chance was for him to lot on the BB thing, if it dropped. It may have a chance to drop every run, but the deal is basically contingent upon there being a tongue to drop to lot on...you can't be expected to pay when there wasn't a chance to lot at all...since the deal was for the chance, when the chance does not exist, the deal, by extension no longer exists.

[HFX7686]

Being in the run is not the chance...the chance was for him to lot on the BB thing, if it dropped. It may have a chance to drop every run, but the deal is basically contingent upon there being a tongue to drop to lot on...you can't be expected to pay when there wasn't a chance to lot at all...since the deal was for the chance, when the chance does not exist, the deal, by extension no longer exists.

The chance did exist: there was a chance for the tongue to drop, even on that third orb that was never done.

Again, not a good deal, but he changed the deal when it was time for his orb. He's not in the right.

[Bubeeky]

He didn't say whether he was the sole lotter or not, and I'm assuming that he wasn't since the deal was the chance to lot, but that's irrelevant...the fact is that he never got the chance he bargained for.

[HFX7686]

He didn't say whether he was the sole lotter or not, and I'm assuming that he wasn't since the deal was the chance to lot, but that's irrelevant...the fact is that he never got the chance he bargained for.

While he has not said that it seems extremely likely he was the sole lotter. It would be nice, however, for him to explain this point.

I don't understand why you are not clear on the fact that the tongue is not a 100% drop in this KS99. Everyone I know is aware of this fact. He had to realise that this might be the case and that the bargain he made might not cover this contingency. Bad deal. Buyer beware.