Common Courtesy

[rog]

Regardless you're ripping on the guy pretty hard for not much good reason other than the fact that he might have been a bit naive. It's unnecessary really.

And it's 6 pages, learn to change your forum settings.

It was only 5 pages when he said it. learn to set your forum settings properly.

[blowfin]

I don't even think that's the point. The OP agreed to the deal (everyone in this thread including GG agreed it was a bad deal) and was even informed by the leader before they arrived to the BC. OP either misinterpreted the rules/realized it was a bad deal/didn't feel like using his orb for whatever reason at the last minute, warped and proceeded to the forums to call the leader shady. Sure you can the leader of the KSNM group was greedy/1-sided, but as Linh clearly states before hand the leader told him he could lot the Tongue in exchange for the King pop item from his orb and Linh agreeing. Weather or not the tongue would have dropped is irrelevant, you gave up the trig drop from your orb at a shot for a BB item.

That's the thing though, that wasn't the deal he entered into.

It was a classic case of misinterpretation.

Blame sits evenly with both the leader and the member if the deal isn't clarified.

Leader accepted the deal believing he'd get a free shank, or plotting to get a free shank. It's possible he hid details to his own advantage.

OP accepted the deal believing he'd get a tongue OR a shank. Which to be perfectly blunt, is pretty reasonable if the only thing he wants is the BB item. WHY WOULD YOU CHOOSE TO VOLUNTARILY COME BACK FROM THE BC WITH NOTHING? The OP isn't quite stupid enough to do that, and in his mind, that wasn't something he was doing.

OP tried to clarify the deal before his orb. Discovered it was quite different than what he assumed (the fair and reasonable thing). Warps out.

Those are the facts. Regardless of whether the leader was shady or not the fact remains that he let his run be a total going show and didn't attempt to iron out the misunderstandings in the deal before our OP warped out. Not that he would have cared because he already had his shank.

[Alkalinehoe]

That's the thing though, that wasn't the deal he entered into.

It was a classic case of misinterpretation.

Blame sits evenly with both the leader and the member if the deal isn't clarified.

I disagree. Sometimes when I lead shit I feel like I have explained the rules clearly. In this case, it's the member's responsibility to ask for clarification if they still do not understand the rules.

Leader accepted the deal believing he'd get a free shank, or plotting to get a free shank. It's possible he hid details to his own advantage.

Clearly. It's obvious the leader just wanted the trig for Behe. But key word, possible. Right now the OP has no SSs and the only thing we have to go on is his story, which he said was informed of the new agreement before the BC.

OP accepted the deal believing he'd get a tongue OR a shank. Which to be perfectly blunt, is pretty reasonable if the only thing he wants is the BB item. WHY WOULD YOU CHOOSE TO VOLUNTARILY COME BACK FROM THE BC WITH NOTHING? The OP isn't quite stupid enough to do that, and in his mind, that wasn't something he was doing.

I don't even.... You gave up your orb for a chance at a BB item. Weather or not it dropped is irrelevant. People had their orb before him and he had a chance to lot on those tongues if it dropped. It didn't, the OP got scared and ran away when his turn was up. The idea of your drop not dropping and you can take something else isn't reasonable, it borders on greed. If we did a seal NM, let's say with a pop set that is somewhat expensive (like Amarok), and in the first few pops no DNC seals dropped and my turn was up. I decided not to pop because I wanted to have all the other seals go to me too if DNC didn't drop. Would that really be a reasonable request?

OP tried to clarify the deal before his orb. Discovered it was quite different than what he assumed (the fair and reasonable thing). Warps out.

Again, wasn't fair or reasonable. He did try to clarify it, but he was still confused. It's up to him to try to understand.

Those are the facts.

Except not.

[HFX7686]

Well, if nothing else this thread has taught a number of people that they either need to get very clear details concerning in game details or get friends to do stuff with. Hopefully teaching Linh most of all.

[blowfin]

Well, if nothing else this thread has taught a number of people that they either need to get very clear details concerning in game details or get friends to do stuff with. Hopefully teaching Linh most of all.

Exactly. This whole exercise has been quite painful, I hope somebody has at least learnt something.

[Vold]

I feel like both sides were conning here. Linh talks like s/he understood the con, and was planning to warp out period if they didn't get a tongue in their inventory on the first two kills and was told no to keeping the shank. Come time for Linhs orb and no tongue yet, they ask to keep their shank out of "common courtesy", and was told no. And so they warped out. Was this pew character trying to rob someone of their shank? Sure. Was Linh right to prevent it? Sure. Was Linh wrong for trying to do their own "confidence man tactic" ? Yeeeeeeep. Sorry Linh, but the fact that you were trying to confirm the deal or change it or whatever when it was your time to pop says a lot. It says you knew something was up. I don't think you were as dumb about it as you lead on. It sounds like you agreed to give up your shank for a better chance to get a tongue if it dropped, and when it didn't drop you were begging to keep your shank so you don't leave empty handed. And now you make this thread complaining about how the others weren't being courteous by letting you keep your orb.

That's how I see this. And until you provide us with the whole story or screenshots that probably don't exist, I have no choice but to stick to this mindset. He tried to con you. It didn't work. You tried to con him back by playing dumb. It didn't work. Life goes on. Also I just want to point out that it is insulting to relate con men with some of the things you did. Con men are con men. All races. All religions. All everything. You should be grateful Pewwhateverhisnameis was straight up with you when you asked. That was courteous enough, con man or not. He could have lied to your face and said sure, you can keep it.

If you were as oblivious as you lead on, you never would have asked them about your shank. You would have used your orb due to lack of wisdom and maybe gotten screwed out of a shank. So really, want to tell us another story? 'cause I promise you right now if you come out and tell the truth we'll think more highly of you regardless we lead that on or not in following replies. If by some miracle your story is 100% true and you are innocent of any wrong doing then you're just going to have to live with some people thinking what they're going to think. Learn from your mistake of making this thread and move on. And for the love of God, the cliche is "con man."

[Linh]

...If you were as oblivious as you lead on, you never would have asked them about your shank...

I asked them about my shank, because when it was time to /random for the second person to go, I asked if I could just simply go last and let Pewpeww's friend go 2nd, because if it didn't drop the Tongue still, I would want to keep my Shank (unless my orb dropped a Tongue) This was when he mentioned that this wasn't the deal we made and he doesn't play that way. When I was about to ask if this means I can lot their Shank on their 3rd run (assuming I won the /random and went 2nd) if the Tongue still had not dropped then, he DCed.

I alt tabbed out to surf the net while waiting for him to come back. Minutes later I see they're already in without me and he hasn't said anything. I said "wb", and he said "I wasn't away."

So I thought to myself, "aren't you just supposed to say "ty", even if that wasn't the case? Ya know, like conversations at a retail store. Cashier says how are you? You reply fine ty, even if you really aren't fine."

So the 2nd run ended, and now it was time for my orb. Since he hasn't said anything besides the "I wasn't away." during the 2nd run, this was when I asked the question about the Shank again. and where he "clarified" it.

And hey wb Zy. Thought the story ended and you were walkin away.

[HFX7686]

I asked them about my shank, because when it was time to /random for the second person to go, I asked if I could just simply go last and let Pewpeww's friend go 2nd, because if it didn't drop the Tongue still, I would want to keep my Shank (unless my orb dropped a Tongue) This was when he mentioned that this wasn't the deal we made and he doesn't play that way. When I was about to ask if this means I can lot their Shank on their 3rd run (assuming I won the /random and went 2nd) if the Tongue still had not dropped then, he DCed.

I alt tabbed out to surf the net while waiting for him to come back. Minutes later I see they're already in without me and he hasn't said anything. I said "wb", and he said "I wasn't away."

So I thought to myself, "aren't you just supposed to say "ty", even if that wasn't the case? Ya know, like conversations at a retail store. Cashier says how are you? You reply fine ty, even if you really aren't fine."

So the 2nd run ended, and now it was time for my orb. Since he hasn't said anything besides the "I wasn't away." during the 2nd run, this was when I asked the question about the Shank again. and where he "clarified" it.

So you knew before you even randomed for your turn that the deal you agreed to was a bad deal and you tried to change it. The problem is, you did agree to the original deal...you didn't need clarifications because you tried to change it before your orb...therefore you were still in the wrong about dodging the deal that you agreed to.

I don't know, why did you make this thread anyway? To teach people not to make bad deals? I think you misunderstand the meaning of 'common courtesy'.

[Linh]

So you knew before you even randomed for your turn that the deal you agreed to was a bad deal and you tried to change it.

No, the deal I thought I agreed to was giving my shank and in return obtaining the BB item.

[rog]

No, the deal I thought I agreed to was giving my shank and in return obtaining the BB item.

Hey, guess what? If you speak fluent english, people are going to expect you to understand words that all 4 year olds understand. If you do not, then you should just suck it up, and give up the item you promised to give up, if only as payment for teaching you such a valuable piece of vocabulary.