Common Courtesy

[HFX7686]

the deal as I understand it Greatguardian was for a chance at the tongue...when the tongue didn't drop on one of the previous orb runs, the deal was null and void...you don't pay the auction house when you lose a bid do you? Linh never got the chance he made the deal for so the way you're interpreting it, Linh should pay for a service he never recieved...I'd understand what you're saying if the tongue did drop and he just lost the lot and was trying to back out of the deal, but that's not the case...through no maliciousness, the other guy couldn't uphold his end of the bargain, so Linh shouldn't be expected to pay for that.

Linh had to realise that the tongue wasn't 100% drop however. He's trying to claim he didn't understand this fact nor what the word "chance" means.

I'm not saying it was a good deal, but it was, however, a clear deal. He understood the deal and then tried to change it when it was time for his orb.

[Bubeeky]

I understand that HFX, but the deal was for a chance....he never got that chance, so he shouldn't have to pay for a chance he never received...if he was just complaining that he lost the lot and had to pony up his shank still, that would be a different story, but he flat out never got the chance he made the deal for.

[HFX7686]

I understand that HFX, but the deal was for a chance....he never got that chance, so he shouldn't have to pay for a chance he never received...if he was just complaining that he lost the lot and had to pony up his shank still, that would be a different story, but he flat out never got the chance he made the deal for.

The chance is being in the KS99. The tongue has a chance to drop every run. I think that stating without a drop to lot on he doesn't have to pay up is just twisting words about.

I doubt very much the other two people there were after BB items, they likely wanted to go for KB pops and defending ring drops.

[Arcon]

I understand that HFX, but the deal was for a chance....he never got that chance, so he shouldn't have to pay for a chance he never received...if he was just complaining that he lost the lot and had to pony up his shank still, that would be a different story, but he flat out never got the chance he made the deal for.

And that's where you understand it (and him) wrong. He got three chances. The chance was not to lot against others, because he was the sole lotter. The chance was about the drop itself.

P: "For 10 bucks I'll toss this coin three times. If it's head, you win a prize."
L: "Alright."

First toss: Tails.
Second toss: Tails.

L: "Wait, do I have to pay even if it's tails again?"
P: "Yes. 10 bucks bought you a chance to try three times."
L: "You wrong me!"

[Greatguardian]

He didn't say whether he was the sole lotter or not, and I'm assuming that he wasn't since the deal was the chance to lot, but that's irrelevant...the fact is that he never got the chance he bargained for.

He was the sole lotter. He is just being dense and trying to twist what was said in order to make himself look like a victim.

"The deal was not for a Behemoth Tongue, but for the chance to lot it if it dropped."

Period. End of story. That's what was said. This does not mean that other people are lotting against him. That simply means that there is no obligation to get a Behemoth Tongue if one happens to not drop on any of the orbs.

And that's where you understand it (and him) wrong. He got three chances. The chance was not to lot against others, because he was the sole lotter. The chance was about the drop itself.

P: "For 10 bucks I'll toss this coin three times. If it's head, you win a prize."
L: "Alright."

First toss: Tails.
Second toss: Tails.

L: "Wait, do I have to pay even if it's tails again?"
P: "Yes. 10 bucks bought you a chance to try three times."
L: "You wrong me!"

Exactly this.

[Bubeeky]

He was the sole lotter. He is just being dense and trying to twist what was said in order to make himself look like a victim.

"The deal was not for a Behemoth Tongue, but for the chance to lot it if it dropped."

Period. End of story. That's what was said. This does not mean that other people are lotting against him. That simply means that there is no obligation to get a Behemoth Tongue if one happens to not drop on any of the orbs.

I'm not sure you fully understand what's been stated Greatguardian...he's never specified that he was or was not the sole lotter...if he was the sole lotter, then why would the deal have been for a chance and not the item itself? and for that matter, if there was not other potential lotters, why was the run done in the first place? He didn't start the run, the other guy did...Linh just joined along.

[Bubeeky]

Being in the run is not the chance...the chance was for him to lot on the BB thing, if it dropped. It may have a chance to drop every run, but the deal is basically contingent upon there being a tongue to drop to lot on...you can't be expected to pay when there wasn't a chance to lot at all...since the deal was for the chance, when the chance does not exist, the deal, by extension no longer exists.

[HFX7686]

Being in the run is not the chance...the chance was for him to lot on the BB thing, if it dropped. It may have a chance to drop every run, but the deal is basically contingent upon there being a tongue to drop to lot on...you can't be expected to pay when there wasn't a chance to lot at all...since the deal was for the chance, when the chance does not exist, the deal, by extension no longer exists.

The chance did exist: there was a chance for the tongue to drop, even on that third orb that was never done.

Again, not a good deal, but he changed the deal when it was time for his orb. He's not in the right.

[Bubeeky]

Again, not a good deal, but he changed the deal when it was time for his orb. He's not in the right.

That part I do agree with...he should not have backed out of the third run, but by extension of that, he should have clarified the deal to begin with...I don't think he's changing the deal so much as new details of the deal came out after the fact...anyway, it's a learning experience for Linh.

[Bubeeky]

He didn't say whether he was the sole lotter or not, and I'm assuming that he wasn't since the deal was the chance to lot, but that's irrelevant...the fact is that he never got the chance he bargained for.