Common Courtesy

[blowfin]

I expected to be able to keep my shank *if no Behemoth Tongue dropped*.

And that's why you went last? If that's the case then I think you were perfectly entitled to warp out then if the rules of the deal weren't set out properly. You were basically about the throw away 99KS. Shame that it took you so long to realise that though, and you probably didn't need to make a thread about it.

[Linh]

Translation: "Words are hard, I don't understand the concept of increased chance, if anyone else can lot, that means I'm 100% not going to get the item because the game is specifically coded to not allow me to win lots. *Jibberish* Confidence Man tactics *More jibberish* FIGHT THE POWA! *extra jibberish*

^ Inflammatory? Maybe but, this is getting old. You think saying "confidence man tactics!" enough will make it true?

Because that's exactly what it is. People trying to put their fellow man like me down.

And if you truly wanted this thread to be over, you wouldn't still be here arguing about it, since apparently it was already "End. Of. Story." for you.

[Zyeriis]

I expected to be able to keep my shank *if no Behemoth Tongue dropped*.

And where'd you get that notion? That one has absolutely no basis aside from you thinking that your side of the deal didn't matter whatsoever. Just shows that you knew full-well what the deal was. You had absolutely no intention of giving up your shank and lucky for them, the tongue didn't drop so you could lot on it and warp if you won it. You might've made a big deal if some one else had lotted it too but, I doubt you would've stuck around after the fact either way.

[Linh]

I doubt you would've stuck around after the fact either way.

This wasn't what happened, so it has no basis in this conversation.

[Arlynne]

I don't why you assume he wouldn't give up the shank if he got what he wanted, the tongue. He doesn't want to fight king Behemoth unless he has to. Getting the tongue in exchange for a shank is a much better deal for him. If he doesn't get a tongue or a shank why give up 99 ks for someone guy he doesn't know and who has a rep for being a lootninja.

[Zyeriis]

I don't why you assume he wouldn't give up the shank if he got what he wanted, the tongue. He doesn't want to fight king Behemoth unless he has to. Getting the tongue in exchange for a shank is a much better deal for him. If he doesn't get a tongue or a shank why give up 99 ks for someone guy he doesn't know and who has a rep for being a lootninja.

Did you forget he's trying to say that no one has common courtesy? The very thing the thread is about, is what he lacks. And, again, he didn't know the person was a douche (and if he did, he shouldn't have gone in the first place, seeing how the deal proposal wasn't until after they left). That person being who that person was, is completely irrelevant. Wasn't the other person's fault the tongue didn't drop. There's no justification to not upholding his side of the deal, aside from a lack of "common courtesy" on his part. He backed out of a deal that gave him a chance, not a guarantee (either way, whether it was if it dropped that he would 100% get it or that if it dropped that he would get a chance to lot it even if it wasn't his orb). If he wanted to know what would happen if it didn't drop, then he would've asked that right as the deal was being made not after the fact.

This is quite literally, the last time I'm going to say this. The are no even plausibly legitimate counter-arguments to be made. "These are confidence man tactics!" being said over and over doesn't make it so. The person who lacked any form of courtesy in this situation was the OP. More than common courtesy was given with the deal proposal in the first damn place. I'm labeling this as a troll thread and going about my business since the OP couldn't even give specific details about the situation in his first post, why does he think that everyone else should be overbearingly explicit in making a relatively clear deal is beyond me.

[Linh]

Did you forget he's trying to say that no one has common courtesy? The very thing the thread is about, is what he lacks. And, again, he didn't know the person was a douche (and if he did, he shouldn't have gone in the first place,seeing how the deal proposal wasn't until after they left). That person being who that person was, is completely irrelevant. Wasn't the other person's fault the tongue didn't drop. There's no justification to not upholding his side of the deal, aside from a lack of "common courtesy" on his part.

This is quite literally, the last time I'm going to say this. The are no even plausibly legitimate counter-arguments to be made. "These are confidence man tactics!" being said over and over doesn't make it so. The person who lacked any form of courtesy in this situation was the OP. More than common courtesy was given with the deal proposal in the first damn place. I'm labeling this as a troll thread and going about my business since the OP couldn't even give specific details about the situation in his first post, why does he think that everyone else should be overbearingly explicit in making a relatively clear deal is beyond me.

And yea, not even being able to WIN the lot and simply "only lot" due to all this convoluted wording is definitely not fair. Which is exactly what you all have been saying and the exact same as him which is what I'm trying to get at. You're the type of people who are trying to keep me down and scam me when I've done nothing wrong to you as a fellow man.

[Zyeriis]

And yea, not even being able to WIN the lot and simply "only lot" due to all this convoluted wording is definitely not fair. Which is exactly what you all have been saying and the exact same as him which is what I'm trying to get at. You're the type of people who are trying to keep me down and scam me when I've done nothing wrong to you as a fellow man.

You know, aside from all the stuff you did wrong.

[Linh]

You know, aside from all the stuff you did wrong.

Didn't do anything wrong, I was the one who was wrong by fellow man. And if I were to use your logic, shouldn't I have taken your 2 earlier posts at face value and that you are truly "End. Of. Story" and not posting in a thread that should've ended 7 years ago even though it was only started yesterday?

[Ordain]

7 years ago even though it was only started yesterday?

He said 7 pages ago, don't take it out of context against your fellow man.

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All I can see is Linh is a person who though may not realise it is rather selfish.

Would you have gotten scammed? No. Why? Because the rules prevented any scamming to take place.

This is what you have said the rules are.

a) You have a CHANCE to lot on the Behemoth Tongue if it drops, period.
b) They also can and will try to lot on the Behemoth Tongue.
c) They can lot on your Shank.
d) (This part is unclear, you never tell us if YOU can lot on your Shank or not.)

Now if you both can lot on the tongue and the shank. It's an equal trade deal. You both have been given boosted rates and better chances as such.

If you can not loot on your shank then from what you've told us, you didn't clarify the deal good enough. I could see if this was the case that it would seem like a scam, but since you didn't get it all fleshed out ahead of time it really isn't.

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You warping out when you saw that the deal wasn't what you thought you got into was right, to some degree. It also was wrong. Though you made a mistake you did BREAK you're part of the deal. Even though you weren't aware fully to the terms.

There was no Confidence Man act pulled on you. Simply you CHOSE not to read or ask about the small print. It's everywhere and if you ignore it, it will ALWAYS bite you in the rear.