Common Courtesy

[Linh]

...Except that's exactly what I said. If they're both free lotting the tongue, he would just free lot his shank. If he's solo lotting the tongue, they're solo lotting his shank. I never said he would be free lotting the tongue and then not lotting his own shank. That's just your misinterpretation.

This is exactly the type of Confidence Man tactic I've been talking about.

[blowfin]

If they're both free lotting the tongue, he would just free lot his shank. If he's solo lotting the tongue, they're solo lotting his shank. I never said he would be free lotting the tongue and then not lotting his own shank.

And yes, you did.

Yes. You're already lotting on someone else's orb. That doesn't guarantee you a win on the lot.

[Greatguardian]

This is exactly the type of Confidence Man tactic I've been talking about.

No, that's the deal you accepted straight up. Is it what I would expect to happen without an arrangement between two courteous people? Not at all. But once you make an agreement, you stick to it. If you aren't clear on something, you straighten it out before anything starts.

@Blowfin, I realize the OP didn't cause anyone serious harm in the end. I also realize Futchy is absolute scum and I am in no way defending his intentions, his history, or his character.

However, he did come in here making a thread about common courtesy when he himself has shown absolutely none, while repeatedly attempting to vilify someone who hadn't done anything wrong in this particular scenario. Did Futchy have the best intentions? Probably not. In fact I'm sure he had horrible intentions. But he didn't trick the OP into doing anything. He said "You can lot on Tongues on our orb if you give us your shank", and the OP agreed to it. The OP did not, or does not, even know who Futchy is so it could have very well been anyone else that this happened to.

If someone says "I'll fight Alfard for you and let you lot Widowmaker if it drops if you pay me 10Mil", and someone agrees, kills the NM, and then warps without paying if the Axe doesn't drop, which person is the scammer and which is the scamee?

Edit: I still think we're missing each other.

Situation A: The OP is allowed to lot on the tongue with orb owner A despite it being YOYD.
Expected result: Orb owner A lots with OP on the OP's Shank.

Situation B: The OP is allowed 100% dibs on the first tongue.
Expected result: Orb owner A is given 100% rights to OP's Shank.

Yes, I believe these situations are a good deal. However, people are allowed to make deals that are not good. That does not mean anyone is being misleading. That simply means the person who takes the bad deal is an idiot.

Do I think the OP's deal was very fair? No. It was very one-sided. But, frankly, the OP shouldn't have agreed to it if that was the case. Even then, it should be mentioned that it was never explicitly stated that anyone but the OP would be lotting on Behemoth Tongues. The fact of the matter is that none dropped, and the OP left specifically because there was the possibility that 0 tongues would drop and he would still be expected to give up his shank because that was the deal.

[Linh]

No, that's the deal you accepted straight up.

Not what I accepted straight up. From what you stated, this was all Confidence Man tactic. period.

[Arlynne]

The point I am getting out of this is that there is no way Pewpew can lose out on this deal. The reasonable thing would be to let the op get his shank if he didn't get a tongue and then get together to do the king behemoth fight. He already got his two shanks with OPs help, he could just let the op keep his shanks to preserve his chance to get to get the tongue.

[blowfin]

Not what I accepted straight up. From what you stated, this was all Confidence Man tactic. period.

So what changed, you expected to be able to lot on the shank too, and then you were told you weren't able to?

[Zyeriis]

The point I am getting out of this is that there is no way Pewpew can lose out on this deal. The reasonable thing would be to let the op get his shank if he didn't get a tongue and then get together to do the king behemoth fight. He already got his two shanks with OPs help, he could just let the op keep his shanks to preserve his chance to get to get the tongue.

Why the hell is this thread still going? It shoudl've been over like 7 pages ago.
The leader of the run increased his chances at getting the Tongue, end of story. The OP didn't actually care about the shank, otherwise he wouldn't have agreed to the deal. It wasn't until his turn came up that he tried to make a big deal out of things because the Tongue hadn't dropped. Who the person was? Irrelevant. Whether or not the OP fully understood the deal? Irrelevant, he should'n't have agreed to the deal if he wasn't sure (Which is apparent when he tried to change the deal because it was his turn).

Other guy got scammed, not the OP. It's just that no one lost anything.

End.
Of.
Story.

[Linh]

Why the hell is this thread still going? It shoudl've been over like 7 pages ago.
The leader of the run increased his chances at getting the Tongue, end of story. The OP didn't actually care about the shank, otherwise he wouldn't have agreed to the deal. It wasn't until his turn came up that he tried to make a big deal out of things because the Tongue hadn't dropped. Who the person was? Irrelevant. Whether or not the OP fully understood the deal? Irrelevant, he should'n't have agreed to the deal if he wasn't sure (Which is apparent when he tried to change the deal because it was his turn).

Other guy got scammed, not the OP. It's just that no one lost anything.

End.
Of.
Story.

It was a confidence man tactic. Due to all this convuluted wording, even if the Tongue didn't drop I wasn't guaranteed to win the lot at all!

That is the real end of story. Keeping your fellow man down and treating him like crap and scamming him instead.

[Linh]

So what changed, you expected to be able to lot on the shank too, and then you were told you weren't able to?

I expected to be able to keep my shank *if no Behemoth Tongue dropped*.

[Zyeriis]

It was a confidence man tactic. Due to all this convuluted wording, even if the Tongue didn't drop I wasn't guaranteed to win the lot at all!

That is the real end of story. Keeping your fellow man down and treating him like crap and scamming him instead.

Translation: "Words are hard, I don't understand the concept of increased chance, if anyone else can lot, that means I'm 100% not going to get the item because the game is specifically coded to not allow me to win lots. *Jibberish* Confidence Man tactics *More jibberish* FIGHT THE POWA! *extra jibberish*

^ Inflammatory? Maybe but, this is getting old. You think saying "confidence man tactics!" enough will make it true?