Limbus

[Duzell]

Anyway, I'll go back to what I said earlier, they need to make +2 versions of the equipment.

Yes, please.
maybe Af1+2 level 95 Af2+2 level 97 and af3+3 level 99

[Mirage]

I like that idea, but I don't think they should be better than empy gear in every possible way. Maybe the three different armor sets should specialize in different roles/situations that the jobs could have/be in.

[Greatguardian]

The playerbase confuses the hell out of me.

Half the threads on here ask for a revival of old content, new relevance to the events we've been doing for half a decade, and a revamping of old gear to make it slightly more useful.

The other half complain every single update about rehashed old content every update, stating that they preferred the old events the way they were.

Yet these two groups never actually clash on the forums. They either just plain never encounter each other, or people just pick and choose which side they want to be on when they wake up each morning. More likely, I think people moan about wanting a revival of old content between development cycles because they like old content. Then they realize that they get something that's not exactly what they had in their minds and get pissy every update about how SE "ruined" their old favorites.

Protip guys: Don't ask for a revival of old content if you like the old content. If you obviously like it as it is, just keep it how it is. These forums change their mind more than women change shoes.

[Zyeriis]

The playerbase confuses the hell out of me.

Half the threads on here ask for a revival of old content, new relevance to the events we've been doing for half a decade, and a revamping of old gear to make it slightly more useful.

The other half complain every single update about rehashed old content every update, stating that they preferred the old events the way they were.

Yet these two groups never actually clash on the forums. They either just plain never encounter each other, or people just pick and choose which side they want to be on when they wake up each morning. More likely, I think people moan about wanting a revival of old content between development cycles because they like old content. Then they realize that they get something that's not exactly what they had in their minds and get pissy every update about how SE "ruined" their old favorites.

Protip guys: Don't ask for a revival of old content if you like the old content. If you obviously like it as it is, just keep it how it is. These forums change their mind more than women change shoes.

*Shakes head*
Wanting the revival of old content is not the same as wanting old content to be changed. If they would just fix the rewards (for example: making +2 versions of relics and artifact equipment), then old content would get revived (people would have a reason to do them again). You know, unless the upgrades suck (see what they did to sky gear and abjs., where you can no longer store that gear because it becomes augmented).

Edit: I know it's potentially contradictory to say that the limbus gear isn't obsolete (which it isn't) then to say that they need to fix the rewards. The rewards are broken even if they aren't obsolete, in the fact that you can get other gear in a faster manner (emp gear). This is the gear that you main, not your gear swap gear. People tend to go after the things they see rather than the things they don't. This is why they need to make more visible rewards from "old" content, not change the content itself like they drastically did with dynamis.

[Greatguardian]

*Shakes head*
Wanting the revival of old content is not the same as wanting old content to be changed. If they would just fix the rewards (for example: making +2 versions of relics and artifact equipment), then old content would get revived (people would have a reason to do them again). You know, unless the upgrades suck (see what they did to sky gear and abjs., where you can no longer store that gear because it becomes augmented).

Do you want Homam to be better than AF3+2?

Serious question, because then you have two options

A) Homam is better. But to do this without increasing the difficulty of Limbus would be stupid as hell. So, of course, the content would be changed. People would be unhappy.

B) AF3+2 is better, Homam is treated the same as Abjuration gear is being treated now. Never mind the fact that some Abjuration gear and Sky gear has absolutely badass augments when HQ3'd, people will complain about how "useless" it is anyways, or how it requires sky/kings/einherjar to upgrade.

You aren't thinking about the consequences of upgrading old equipment. You will never make people happy with "Gear that is better than old homam but is worse than AF3+2". No matter how much they profess their desire for said gear, people will just bitch and moan the moment it's released.

Edit: Replace Homam with Af+2, Relic+2, w/e

[Akujima]

This is why they need to make more visible rewards from "old" content, not change the content itself like they drastically did with dynamis.

But a point that has been passed over is, "old" stuff back then wasn't really "old". Just because it was a different Level, didn't mean it became instantly obsolete when new content came out. A Lv59 Haubergeon/Haubergeon+1 was still a great armor piece for DRKs and SAMs even at Lv75. Lv50 body Rapparee Harness was still great for DNC and THF for haste gear at 75. (I could go on and on, since there are so many instances of these types of gear being useful, but aren't MAX LV. O-Kote, Leaping Boots, Emp Hairpin, Fuma Kyahan, X-counters, Scorp Harness, and the list goes on and on...)

I understand that there were better pieces of equipment out there to replace a Haubergeon and Rapparee Harness, but it still took some time to get that equipment, and these "old pieces" saw ALOT of life during endgame. The point is, that now with Empyrean being so easy and quick to obtain, nobody is going to go and do Salvage and spend a ton of money getting Usukane or Skadi's, etc. They're going to buy some cheap Perle and Aurore gear and farm seals for some easy upgrades, which would be the smart thing to do anyways.

Empyrean Armor and Weapons slashed a deep profusely bleeding wound into other Equipment and Gear, that anything SE has done so far to try and improve said "old equipment", was like trying to apply a band-aid to someone who just lost an arm and is bleeding to death.

[GlobalVariable]

You were arguing the pieces were obsolete. They're not

Soem most certainly are. I think you have strange ideas of what is good and current entirely because of the way you made that post. You barfed up a huge list with more than 1 obsolete piece in it as a response. I asked, and then I got some poor example answers. Beast gaiters+1 dang well are obsolete, they were obsolete when monster gaiters hit years ago. If I ask "Does +1'ing the kabuto make it significantly different if it is ONLY swapped for meditate?" that is a question not arguing.

Major 2nd Edit:
I lost my connection mid edit, caught with my pants down so to speak because I realize something I just said does make it sound like I want to argue that all limbus gear is crap when that really is nowhere near my actual intentions. On the upside, this gave me time to rethink the above, even though the edit managed to get though.

I was attempting to make a point by asking a question knowing (or so I thought) it would be answered in a way that would show there is a reason to bother. This backfired when pushed to defend it as if it were a statement with really crappy examples.

Anyway, I want to apologize for having cruddy communication skills and really want to stress that it was not and is not my intention to argue that *everything* is obsolete junk, even though my phrasing even in the original question may seem to imply it to you.

[Greatguardian]

Did Akujima really just edit his post entirely to underline and bold things even more? It's not like the rest of us need ridiculous emphasis in font to bother reading anything. That's just you.

As for "Sidegrade FFXI", people were plenty sick of it for years. The best body in the game for some jobs came from freaking Rise of the Zilart. Let's not even get started on Ridill. Nothing new ever replaced anything, it just clogged up more inventory with situational sidegrade stats. Most of the time, new gear was patently useless because it would never be better than an existing piece.

The people who actually completed content and got those gear drops have been asking for something, anything, to obsolete Ebody for half a decade. We finally got it. There is finally some forward progression. Don't dare think you can drag the rest of us back to the dark ages of ten-year-old Ultimate gear without a fight.

[DerianX]

One change I would love to see is the Rare tag removed from +1 items (and maybe even make them stackable).

I can't remember how many times I've seen a +1 item from one region get trashed because I already have it and haven't had any luck obtaining the corresponding item from the other region.

[Arcon]

One change I would love to see is the Rare tag removed from +1 items (and maybe even make them stackable).

I can't remember how many times I've seen a +1 item from one region get trashed because I already have it and haven't had any luck obtaining the corresponding item from the other region.

That actually sounds pretty nice.

Personally, I really liked the old content, I didn't feel a need to change it much, if at all. I wasn't a fan of free zones like in WoE, now they did it to Dynamis. I wasn't a fan of the weakness system, now they did it to Dynamis. I never complained before, I quite liked the game. The one thing I asked to fix were little bugs and annoyances, that didn't really relate to any event at all.

And sometimes when people complain SE does change it, but makes it worse. It sounds like it's impossible to please people, but SE simply often gets it wrong, which is why it sounds like people always complain regardless. Take the updated kings system for example, people wanted it easier to access, wanted better chances at a Defending Ring. SE noticed the complaining and did something about it. And as a result, they made it worse (that's subjective of course, but considering the average effort and time it takes a single person to obtain it increased). So they complain again, which is legitimate imo. "Updating" doesn't always mean "fixing" and unfortunately, this isn't the only update that made certain things worse.