Reviving PvP & Ballista

[Vyiv]

No one truly likes level caps.

Well, Selt, a well-respected JP player in the Ballista community, posted a recent video of a 30:30 game on Carbuncle (neo-Gilgamesh) of—guess what—Lv60 Ballista on his Youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wb8Gm3Mw0M

I wonder how that tallies up.

[Harukusan]

The only lack of balance in an uncapped Ballista match is in individual players' Ballista experience and their own ability to gear themselves properly. Some jobs shine more than others, but that's only because the people who play them know what they're doing. Not because the jobs themselves are broken. Cap or no cap, Ballista has it's ups and downs in both situations. I generally refuse to participate in anything capped unless it's with good friends. So I guess you can say it's more about personal preferences than anything. You can't argue about unbalance when your opinion is already clearly biased.

[Dart]

lol hots did you notice that he didn't respond to what I said lol.

uncapped is broken if the other team has the right empy's. Absolutely broken. If you don't know this you either A. don't play with people who have empy weapons. B. play with people who suck. or C. you don't really ballista much

[Harukusan]

Empy weapons aren't exactly hard to obtain... Anyone on either side could get them. So that doesn't define unbalance, as either opposing team can still be equal. We aren't discussing "broken" we are discussing "balance." 60 cap has it's share of "broken" and "unbalance" in terms of lack of job abilities/traits that may give underprivileged jobs a fighting chance in uncapped. In uncapped, everyone gets to utilize every part of their job, and there certainly are ways around the "broken" jobs. Clearly you just have no clue how to figure this out for yourself.

[Vyiv]

uncapped is broken if the other team has the right empy's. Absolutely broken. If you don't know this you either A. don't play with people who have empy weapons. B. play with people who suck. or C. you don't really ballista much

Don't forget about condition D: All of the above.

This is actually one of the very few times that I actually agree with someone on these general forums in regards to Ballista. Dart, you're right.

[Akujima]

I think people are missing the point of this thread. Ballista is about having fun and that Video of Selt is amazing, I'm still watching it... I would so love to do something like that!

[Alhanelem]

Well, Selt, a well-respected JP player in the Ballista community, posted a recent video of a 30:30 game on Carbuncle (neo-Gilgamesh) of—guess what—Lv60 Ballista on his Youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wb8Gm3Mw0M

I wonder how that tallies up.

Such a video, though pretty darn cool, says nothing about what most people think about level caps in general. 60 cap's popularity is what keeps ballista to nothing more than a cult following. If the average joe is going to do PvP, he's going to want to be at his best while doing it, using all the tools at his disposal. I maintain that 60 cap's supposed better balance is just an illusion and the popularity of 60 cap is purely because of this belief.

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You'd be suprised about emp weapons. They don't stand out as much as you think, outside of abyssea and especially in Ballista, where the damage reductions close the difference between weapons.

Gear is still a factor in 60 cap, and while the gap between the haves and the have nots is smaller, it's still there. You really need to remember what this is all about, though. Fun. Everyone was always having fun, whether I did a 60 or an uncapped. And that's what's most important. Also: Good skill overcomes good gear. Being a good player is far more important than anything else.

[Harukusan]

Good skill overcomes good gear. Being a good player is far more important than anything else.

hear hear!

And being a good player with substantial gear is where people get the idea uncapped is "broken!"

[Dart]

Such a video, though pretty darn cool, says nothing about what most people think about level caps in general. 60 cap's popularity is what keeps ballista to nothing more than a cult following. If the average joe is going to do PvP, he's going to want to be at his best while doing it, using all the tools at his disposal. I maintain that 60 cap's supposed better balance is just an illusion and the popularity of 60 cap is purely because of this belief.

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You'd be suprised about emp weapons. They don't stand out as much as you think, outside of abyssea and especially in Ballista, where the damage reductions close the difference between weapons.

Gear is still a factor in 60 cap, and while the gap between the haves and the have nots is smaller, it's still there. You really need to remember what this is all about, though. Fun. Everyone was always having fun, whether I did a 60 or an uncapped. And that's what's most important. Also: Good skill overcomes good gear. Being a good player is far more important than anything else.

see my A., B., C. for detail.

I'm guessing that you play with people who suck. As for me i've seen them in action. A lot. They fuck people up majorly.

[Karbuncle]

I think people are missing the point of this thread. Ballista is about having fun and that Video of Selt is amazing, I'm still watching it... I would so love to do something like that!

Wish I could meet people on Asura who have "Fun" with Ballista.

Only people i see doing it are cocky A**Clowns who will gloat like a FPS player every time they get even the slightest win.

That and I always seem to be on the team that sucks and dies. >___> They all run into battle like a chicken with their head cut off and die horribly.

I don't see a lot of Ballista on Asura, i wonder if we even have a community for it. Don't even see Dhiorama or w/e going on much either.