Reviving PvP & Ballista

[Volkai]

FFXI is a PvE MMO.

PvP was added as an afterthought.

Most people I know with any interest in PvP left FFXI for WoW when it first came out.

The rest left after the Ballista Royale was completed.



I think the Ballista Royale was the last hurrah for PvP in FFXI. I doubt it will see anything (aside from patches to game-breaking elements when new traits, abilities, and spells designed for a PvE game are used in PvP) in the foreseeable future.

Especially now that the XI dev team seems to be so reduced due to the focus on devs working on making XIV profita- I mean more enjoyable to play.


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While we're talking about PvP, I'll accept any 40-cap one-on-one challenge, on Phoenix server.
Send me a /tell.

[Urteil]

FFXI is a PvE MMO.

PvP was added as an afterthought.

Most people I know with any interest in PvP left FFXI for WoW when it first came out.

The rest left after the Ballista Royale was completed.



I think the Ballista Royale was the last hurrah for PvP in FFXI. I doubt it will see anything (aside from patches to game-breaking elements when new traits, abilities, and spells designed for a PvE game are used in PvP) in the foreseeable future.

Especially now that the XI dev team seems to be so reduced due to the focus on devs working on making XIV profita- I mean more enjoyable to play.


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While we're talking about PvP, I'll accept any 40-cap one-on-one challenge, on Phoenix server.
Send me a /tell.

There is a huge learning curve to PvP in XI and there are systems in place to prevent 1 shotting, endless CC'ing of a single target, and many many many gear choices to help one bolster themselves against status ailments.

The gear restriction allows a person to have to pick what set and what role and what enemy they will be fighting against. A group or 1v1 situation, the people who hate the gear restriction aren't smart enough to tie their own shoes, because understanding and analyzing a situation and making gear for it should be a fundamental skill every FFXI player should possess.

There are still a lot of people who enjoy PvP but the simple fact is they don't even know when its occuring and the signup/method for doing it is rather esoteric. Anyone who left to WoW for PvP promptly went other places or returned, I being one of them. I find the system horrid and too (RNG) driven.

I support the ideas of this post and it would not take drastic overhauls to revive ballista. All that they have to do is give 30,000exp a piece to the winning team and probably 40,000-50,000g and I guarantee people would show up.

Or just add titles or cosmetic things, it really wouldn't take much.

If they had a broadcast in lower Jueno when matches were starting, and if matches weren't so picky about starting, a million bored people would jump up and do it for the sheer fact that there is not a lot to do.

I don't see how anyone who PvP's at the 40cap expects to be taken seriously, but if you get to the max level which takes about 4 hours I'll play you. As far as game breaking things, I'm a DRK, not a BLU or a RDM or a BLM, and these 'game breaking' things are just mythical things that people who /cough play 40cap /cough tote around to try to harm the integrity of the system.

[Volkai]

I don't see how anyone who PvP's at the 40cap expects to be taken seriously, but if you get to the max level which takes about 4 hours I'll play you. As far as game breaking things, I'm a DRK, not a BLU or a RDM or a BLM, and these 'game breaking' things are just mythical things that people who /cough play 40cap /cough tote around to try to harm the integrity of the system.

1) The same way anyone who PvPs in a PvE MMORPG might expect to be taken seriously.
2) I'm not interested in uncapped PvP. 30, 40, or 50cap is what I'm interested in - high enough to have some options, low enough to have constraints you're probably not used to working under. It keeps things interesting.
3) You misunderstand. When I say 'game breaking' I mean things that make FFXI or your PC or your XBox 360 or PS2 crash.

[Dart]

There is a huge learning curve to PvP in XI and there are systems in place to prevent 1 shotting, endless CC'ing of a single target, and many many many gear choices to help one bolster themselves against status ailments.

The gear restriction allows a person to have to pick what set and what role and what enemy they will be fighting against. A group or 1v1 situation, the people who hate the gear restriction aren't smart enough to tie their own shoes, because understanding and analyzing a situation and making gear for it should be a fundamental skill every FFXI player should possess.

There are still a lot of people who enjoy PvP but the simple fact is they don't even know when its occuring and the signup/method for doing it is rather esoteric. Anyone who left to WoW for PvP promptly went other places or returned, I being one of them. I find the system horrid and too (RNG) driven.

I support the ideas of this post and it would not take drastic overhauls to revive ballista. All that they have to do is give 30,000exp a piece to the winning team and probably 40,000-50,000g and I guarantee people would show up.

Or just add titles or cosmetic things, it really wouldn't take much.

If they had a broadcast in lower Jueno when matches were starting, and if matches weren't so picky about starting, a million bored people would jump up and do it for the sheer fact that there is not a lot to do.

I don't see how anyone who PvP's at the 40cap expects to be taken seriously, but if you get to the max level which takes about 4 hours I'll play you. As far as game breaking things, I'm a DRK, not a BLU or a RDM or a BLM, and these 'game breaking' things are just mythical things that people who /cough play 40cap /cough tote around to try to harm the integrity of the system.

holy crap, urteil and i agree on something

[Jamesruglia]

The appeal for me in PvP isn't about myself, it's about my nation. Things that support Bastok or would give us/me influence in Conquest or Campaign would get me fighting a lot more often.(Well, that and getting a PvP job leveled...)

I'd be more interested in Brenner, though. I mean, Bastokan exercize for a Bastokan knight and all...

[Akujima]

I'd be more interested in Brenner, though. I mean, Bastokan exercize for a Bastokan knight and all...

Well if Ballista was made by Sandorians, and Bastok invented Brenner... They still need to make the Windurstian battlefield!

[Zaknafein]

Well if Ballista was made by Sandorians, and Bastok invented Brenner... They still need to make the Windurstian battlefield!

Name it "MidgetMania"

[Harukusan]

Well if Ballista was made by Sandorians, and Bastok invented Brenner... They still need to make the Windurstian battlefield!

There already is one. It's called defeat the Dhalmels and smelly Galkas at the game of life.

Anyhow, I've been able to rally at least 15 people who enjoy just doing PvP for fun. If any reward additions were made, I'm sure way more people would be doing PvP. Especially if that reward addition was PvP specific gear.

The problem with adding Ballista specific gear is that it won't attract people who have no interest in Ballista. It's like feeding carrots to a lion. You can present it, and you'll find yourself on the lion's menu long before the carrot. If you really want outsiders to participate, there should be more cosmetic rewards such as the seasonal event gear you can obtain which changes you to a chocobo or a bat etc. Or anything else that would prove to be valuable to someone who would not normally compete in PvP.

Again I want to restate my opinion on the real matter: the actual problem with our PvP system is that it's not easily accessible to those of us who actually want to take part in it. There doesn't need to be more of a reward than the satisfaction that all your hard work obtaining high end gear and strategic knowledge didn't go to waste.

Ballista and Brenner are not hard concepts to grasp, yet many people just don't get it, and are easily turned off by it. Much like many other portions of the game that are much less challenging (actually are quite honestly a complete joke), some people just need to be taught properly how the game actually works. After they get the hang of things, then perhaps they may become interested in a "new" challenge which would be PvP. Hell, most nooblets don't gear swap as it is, it would be cake for them to switch from PvE to PvP without having to modify macros or anything.

[Seyrena]

I just want 1v1 dueling.

[Alhanelem]

I just want 1v1 dueling.

I just want no 1v1 dueling. Really, everything in the game has always been built around groups, the game is balanced around groups.