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[MarkovChain]

You argue people should carry around 20 pieces of gear to reduce magic damage by 15%

Where did I say that ? Carrying 20 pieces of gear for 15% reduction is idiotic especially with cure 6. I think I'm actually saying the opposite. While it's a nice item to have because well it *can* save space (sometimes, assuming you actually NEED mdt/pdt to achieve what you want). It's not useful because whenever you would need it you can use alternative gear and be exactly as much efficient or even more efficient. Its ONLY benefit is to save inventory.

Two situation can happen

99% of the fights where the mobs cannot harm you even with zero pdt gear => useless obviously. Mages have infinity MP, the MP saved over time argument doesn't work. Taking 90 instead of 100 damage doesn't make you better at anything.

1% of the fight were stacking pdt is useful which can be for instance supertanking which is a super rare situation and which can be generally done with basic earth staff & co. One situation I can think of is PW while holding the lamps. For anything else cure 6 spam. You asked for "easy game" now you have it.

Now if we are back to the old FFXI where optimizing matters why not. Although technically cure6 is more useful outside than inside abyssea. This item is nothing but a trophy and for a long time. It will become useful when they uncap pdt/mdt .. maybe. How likely are we going to have shell 6 ? More magical/physical damage taken - ? PLD is the job that takes the least damage wether from magical or physical sources. PLD is useless as every one knows. Why would Defending ring all of a sudden become useful ?

[wish12oz]

Where did I say that ? Carrying 20 pieces of gear for 15% reduction is idiotic especially with cure 6.

You said it repeatedly in the post I linked to in my last comment to you. And it's exactly what I was pointing out to you. With an MDT set you lose 4 spaces and take 33.5% of magic damage (according to you) and you were championing resistance gear at 20++++ spaces of inventory to take 15% of magic damage. Which is completely not useful IMO. MDT set only. And the less gear required to cap MDT the better IMO. D ring is amazing, it's best in slot, best out of all options available based on what you lose to equip it compared to other slots. People who think it's useless are really bad at this game, nothing more needs to be said about it.

PLD is useless as every one knows. Why would Defending ring all of a sudden become useful ?

Because the ring is not for PLD. It's for jobs that require PDT to tank effectively sometimes. Or for melees who pull hate and aren't trying to tank to avoid dieing.

Now if we are back to the old FFXI where optimizing matters

Everything you post everywhere is all about optimizing everything, why are you arguing against it for this and saying D ring is useless?

[MarkovChain]

You said it repeatedly in the post I linked to in my last comment to you. And it's exactly what I was pointing out to you. With an MDT set you lose 4 spaces and take 33.5% of magic damage (according to you) and you were championing resistance gear at 20++++ spaces of inventory to take 15% of magic damage.

I'd like to know how you can equip 20 piece of gear. This must be a troll secret. I don't know wtf you are talking about with -15% magic damage thing. Resistance build is nearly -100% damage taken not -15%. Look

full damage p=0.95
1/2 damage 0.0475* 1/2
1/4 damage 0.002375 *1/4
1/8 damage 0.000125 *1/4
=> on average you take 19.22% of the full damage. With shell V that is 14.56%. In other word a elemental reisist build would be equivalent to -61% magic damage taken. Contrary to what you claimed, it is done 6 pieces of gear only because there is this wonderfull spell called bar-

As a jackpot bonus your are immune to enfeebling spells to that element.

It's funny, it's almost as if BG is learning elemental sets in 2011.

Because the ring is not for PLD. It's for jobs that require PDT to tank effectively sometimes. Or for melees who pull hate and aren't trying to tank to avoid dieing.

If your melee pulls hate and aren't trying to tank maybe you should reconsider why you are bring them. I think you are too much in the 2004~ hnm mentality of fighting weak mobs like Fafnir. If you are doing it right you bring 2 healer 2 tanks (=DD) 1 BRD and 1 THF. At no point anyone but a tank can possibly pull hate. "Pulling hate" is an expression that refers to an FFXI era where people tanked with PLD in dynamis, and fought hnms with PLD, an era that you clearly seem to belong. You should use a time machine. There is no situational where, under the new FFXI (since 2006), a tank would require a D ring, nor a mage.

[wish12oz]

I'd like to know how you can equip 20 piece of gear. This must be a troll secret. I don't know wtf you are talking about with -15% magic damage thing. Resistance build is nearly -100% damage taken not -15%. Look

full damage p=0.95
1/2 damage 0.0475* 1/2
1/4 damage 0.002375 *1/4
1/8 damage 0.000125 *1/4
=> on average you take 19.22% of the full damage. With shell V that is 14.56%. In other word a elemental reisist build would be equivalent to -61% magic damage taken. Contrary to what you claimed, it is done 6 pieces of gear only because there is this wonderfull spell called bar-

So you're advocating that you can take 15% of total magic damage, and this is your math behind it. Well, lets say you have an MDT set and bar spells, that means you take 30% of the total damage according to your math. So you're advocating taking 15% less damage at the cost of carrying bar-element sets of gear.

You say it can be done with 6 pieces of gear? Ok, so how many elements are there? and its 6 pieces per element? that sounds like 20++++++ pieces of gear you are advocating people carry around.

It's funny, it's almost as if BG is learning elemental sets in 2011.

BG learned of resistance gear back in 2005 or so after people started killing Tiamat, you weren't there so I guess you wouldn't remember.
Obligatory me killing Tiamat in 2005 PS2 screenshot: http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...=img000068.jpg

If your melee pulls hate and aren't trying to tank maybe you should reconsider why you are bring them. I think you are too much in the 2004~ hnm mentality of fighting weak mobs like Fafnir. If you are doing it right you bring 2 healer 2 tanks (=DD) 1 BRD and 1 THF. At no point anyone but a tank can possibly pull hate. "Pulling hate" is an expression that refers to an FFXI era where people tanked with PLD in dynamis, and fought hnms with PLD, an era that you clearly seem to belong. You should use a time machine. There is no situational where, under the new FFXI (since 2006), a tank would require a D ring, nor a mage.

Everything SE is adding to the game now is outside abyssea content. No more 4k HP or unlimited MP pools to default to when you're bad at the game, so that -10% damage taken ring will be pretty good. And if your melees are tanking, you better hope they have a good DT set for when they get caught with their pants down. Maybe next time you will read what people say before you reply with this nonesense, but then you still wear full usukane on your monk and think it's good, so it's not like your opinion on gear should even be taken seriously.

[MarkovChain]

So you're advocating that you can take 15% of total magic damage, and this is your math behind it. Well, lets say you have an MDT set and bar spells, that means you take 30% of the total damage according to your math. So you're advocating taking 15% less damage at the cost of carrying bar-element sets of gear.

You say it can be done with 6 pieces of gear? Ok, so how many elements are there? and its 6 pieces per element? that sounds like 20++++++ pieces of gear you are advocating people carry around.

This why you shouldn't argue with intelligent people. I didn't count barspell's mdb in my math. Therefore you shouldn't count 30% but 50% for your set, so try again.

Whatever you do mdt caps at 50% no matter what.

Everything SE is adding to the game now is outside abyssea content. No more 4k HP or unlimited MP pools to default to when you're bad at the game, so that -10% damage taken ring will be pretty good. And if your melees are tanking, you better hope they have a good DT set for when they get caught with their pants down. Maybe next time you will read what people say before you reply with this nonesense, but then you still wear full usukane on your monk and think it's good, so it's not like your opinion on gear should even be taken seriously.

Losing an argument and then procedding to use personnal attacks (aside from being compelete bullshit). Never did I claim full usu was better either, I think you are a little mad right now. Maybe you will post the links though.

And if your melees are tanking, you better hope they have a good DT set for when they get caught with their pants down

Now obligatory "give us examples" of concrete situations.

BG learned of resistance gear back in 2005 or so after people started killing Tiamat, you weren't there so I guess you wouldn't remember.
Obligatory me killing Tiamat in 2005 PS2 screenshot: http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...=img000068.jpg

Yes I know that BG people form years ago knew it.

[SNK]

This why you shouldn't argue with intelligent people.

Shame that doesn't count for you. I mean afterall your ban should be up sometime this year I think since Isladar only hammered you for two years.

You are a real piece of work Pchan.

[wish12oz]

This why you shouldn't argue with intelligent people. I didn't count barspell's mdb in my math. Therefore you shouldn't count 30% but 50% for your set, so try again.

Whatever you do mdt caps at 50% no matter what.

You said with just barspells you resist 40% of the damage from magic spells.
Add 50% MDT to that and you only take 30% of the damage from magic spells, I don't understand whats so hard about that for you to get.

Losing an argument and then procedding to use personnal attacks (aside from being compelete bullshit). Never did I claim full usu was better either, I think you are a little mad right now. Maybe you will post the links though.

I did not attack you, I just provided evidence for why your opinion on gear should not be taken seriously.
And I stated in my original post I am mad, 40k seals per d ring, and 2000 per king is way to much.

Now obligatory "give us examples" of concrete situations.

Let's say you're duoing Dragua, cause you know, real monks can do that without brews. And say someone tries to fight the shadow dragon thats right there, and wipes, right by your mages, and at that time, Dragua uses wing and you and your WHM get petrified. I bet you'd be glad you had some -damage taken gear then~

Yes I know that BG people form years ago knew it.

Yes we did know it, we also understand when it's useful, unlike bad players.
See this thread for what I mean:
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/20...trategy-as-mnk
The part where the person posts a video of Duoing Drague with his MNK+WHM and no MDT or Earth resist build is priceless.

[MarkovChain]

You said with just barspells you resist 40% of the damage from magic spells.
Add 50% MDT to that and you only take 30% of the damage from magic spells, I don't understand whats so hard about that for you to get.

Nope, you can't read.

*Without accounting for any mdb you are stuck at 50% magic damage taken, while I'm at 14.56%.
*If you add y amount of mdt, you take 0.50/(1+y/100) and I take 0.1456/(1+y/100)

Therefore, mdb doesn't matter when you want to compare the two options because none of them offer mdb. Faceplam.

The part where the person posts a video of Duoing Drague with his MNK+WHM and no MDT or Earth resist build is priceless.

So when I ask you for a mob where defending ring would be useful, you link me to a video where a guy proves that you can kill dragua with ZERO defensive gear. LOL.