Letter from an Angry Puppetmaster (Pt. 2)

[Emaleth]

PUP was my only job for a couple years, so I like to think I know what I'm talking about. I wasn't just posting the opinion of some random Blue Mage. I posted it because I agree with it. All they've done to PUP was to level the playing field. When the Barrage turbine and Heat Capacitor were announced, I knew Buratts were going to get nerfed to hell. The TP gain would be beyond broken if they hadn't been. If anything, it was just to hold us over 'til the new attachments were released.

I understand why you'd want to hear from SE, but it isn't really necessary. I think the quick changes to our weaponskills proves they're at least paying attention. Maybe take their silence on certain "flaws" as their answer? Have to admit I don't check the other parts of this forum often, but when have they ever responded directly to a post in job forums?

Didn't mean MY PUP was "omgwtf", necessarily. Was speaking generally about the job. I'm fairly pleased with the numbers I can crank out, but there are PUPs out there that make me look lackluster. I just really don't think we need more help. And I don't think it's "ill-contrived" to suggest that PUP is still powerful, but I suppose if a Kenkonken PUP doesn't think it is, I'm just not going to convince you.

Oh, and Bob is the other guy posting about quitting post-update.

[Karbuncle]

I'm new to the job, But it seems really powerful to me.

Its not Ukon WAR, But you can't expect it to be. Still, my Stringing Pummels have peaked around 5.2k, Its really fun, My automatons skills are largely uncapped, but if they were, I'd imagine it'd just be even more berserk. The job is really amazing.

I never got to enjoy the Burrs, But Even without the 10tp/tic PUP is still an excellent job.

[StingRay104]

I'm a drk main who has solo'd pup over these last few months and have very much enjoyed the job, in fact I spend most of my non ls time on pup just testing the waters and tryin to get better gear (working on str/att h2h atm), but I can answer a question posed by Emaleth.

Emaleth Said:
Have to admit I don't check the other parts of this forum often, but when have they ever responded directly to a post in job forums?

I have many jobs at level 90 and check out many different forums and I can say that no GM has ever directly answered a topic in the forum. However we drks demanded Last Resort duration increased and we got it, in fact we got it greater than we asked for and thats what angers me about pup atm. PUP community has been demanding certain changes for years just like the drk's have been, and now drk gets what they want and PUP gets garbage and nerfed. Now I agree Burts were way too good and I prefer a fix to the job over a omgwtf weapon like sam and hagun back in the day (lvl 90 sam, it still haunts me a little I hate those days), but the thing is after all the constant BS from SE over the years, which despite not being pup back then I still followed it just to see if SE would fix the job, PUP is not getting the attention it needs. SE you need to get off your high horse and talk to us dammit, we need to understand what it is your tryin to accomplish, we want you to here from us, the whole purpose of these forums was to give us a chance to talk with not just each other but with you, so please break your vow of silence and speak.

Also I too can dish out decent numbers with stringing pummel in abyssea, but it really sucks having a retarded robot following me around like a drunkard who needs more alcohol so that it can finally die, or become competent, who knows maybe these robots work like bender and just need more alcohol to run better.

P.S. SE are you really gonna stop automoton oils at level 50? seriously?

[Huevriel]

I trio with friends, one of whom is a PUP, and we tank with VE plenty of times. Using automaton oil plays a huge role in it, and it's not difficult to keep hate on that little bugger when PUP friend is decked out with attachments and consistently keeps his automaton capped.

[Tetsujin]

I agree that Valoredge could use a bit of a boost, but I have to step in and say that it's been grossly understated.

I've used it to tank specific mobs on occasion. With the right attachments and maneuvers up, along with +2 oils, it can be quite the daunting guy.

My suggestions:
- MP is a bad idea. We don't need this thing to get interrupted while casting, missing attack rounds.
- Strobe could use a hate boost.
- Damage is fine, Defense could use a boost though.
- Shield procs would be nice. It would share skill with the "Automaton Melee" category.
- New Automaton Oil would be nice.

[Tetsujin]

Also, Cannibal Blade could use help.

[Dfoley]

So whats the tldnr version? This looks like every other /cry pup thread I've seen since ther burritos nerf.

1) 10 tp regain was broken, if you didn't see it coming you were dreaming...hard
2) The adjustments to ws more then compensate for the 'nerf'. Not only can we close VS and SP with light / darkness level 3 skill chains, but VE went from around 700-900 dmg ws to about 2.5-3k ws, and SS went from 1500-2000 damage to 3-4k

Heres the timeline:

• Pups introduced
• Pups suck...
• AF3+2 armor introduced
• Pups rock, can cap haste, have access to two of the most powerful ws in game (sp and vs)
• burts added
• pups are broken, can solo way more then they should be able to, and with 0 effort compared to verethragna can face smash monks/sam/war etc with their +2 empy weapon
• burritos fixed, compensated with new attachments, and new more powerful ws, and increased performance on SP
• pups still face face smash non-empy ws war/mnk/sam for moderate effort (need SP + automaton skill).
• Pups go to forums to QQ losing god status of dd with 0 work.

Burritos were great. I loved them and I soloed most of WotG with them, but I knew full well they were broken and would be fixed eventually.

[xbobx]

"but VE went from around 700-900 dmg ws to about 2.5-3k ws, and SS went from 1500-2000 damage to 3-4k"

only in abyessa. Melee ws sucks outside of aybessa.

Burts nerf was too much, its on par with a lvl 77 bst easy drop easy nm. Regain should have been 3 tp regain, yes 10 was too much.

Its ok the nerfs they made, but they should have fixed the AI. They nerfed thigns that have been around for years, and ignored the bugs that we actually need. NO EXCUSE WHAT SO EVER!!!!!!!!! to do that. I would been fine with all the changes if they just fixed that stuff.

[Kristal]

Also Automaton Oils suck and they should have cure properties like BST pet food if the VE frame can't cure itself..

Automaton oils were updated a while back. They now heal 10/20/30% HP as well as the 10x10/20x20/30x30 regen.

I think it's obvious that none of the dev team plays PUP. The paradoxal nature of the Demonry Core that was added this update shows that they are not in touch with the player base. (Why put PUP on it when they can't equip it...)