Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[RAIST]

are there really THAT many people that still need to leech xp in Abyssea?

I had a group in Attowha last week. We had one party cleaving to keep TE flowing, one group popping in and out to get the TE's and reforming to farm NM's as needed, and another group for people that wanted to level subs, get merits, whatever. Our LS was basically in there for about 36 hours total. I was active in there for about 12 hours (one job from 61 to 90, one from 85-90, another from 85-88 and lots of skillups on various weapons for all 3 jobs, and took some afk time at #01 to sleep), and only saw what looked like maybe one other group in there on a /sea all. At one point...we were the ONLY 14 people in the entire zone.

However, the heroes zones stay packed. I would <assume> the cleaves and heavy AFK leeching should be done in the lower 6 zones, simply because they are easier targets and they are by design more appropriate for AFK leeching. I've gone into Thienne before and the only people in there were just there for NM's, namely Zone win or farming items to pop the Zone Boss and beyond.

The point I'm getting at...is it would seem the heavy AFK leeching should be done outside of where most the xp'ing is currently being done. Sure, Dominion groups may have leechers, but it's not somewhere you really want to be afk'ing. You want to keep running back to the Sergeant to get your free xp and/or seals every 5 kills. It would seem the groups with mass amounts of AFK leechers <should> be in the older Scars/Vision zones--if they can't fight/cure/buff/open chests...there really isn't anything to do but squat in pre-Heroes areas.

Rather than tinkering with the level requirements for access, what they REALLY need to do is provide an incentive for people to return to the earlier zones and get out of the way of everyone in the Heroes zones so it's more spread out.

Raist

EDIT: and btw, they've started locking some of these extra threads on this topic now...too many duplicate threads popping up with lots of Q Q I guess.

[RaenRyong]

Compare to Naturebeckles. Losing argument/ignore all logic => pretend to be a troll!

[Icestein]

Krystal, honestly and truly you are destroying these forums. You seem to have the sincere belief that the thread you just made meant something? It got locked, fast, and on top of that it made you even less credible.

You're opinions aren't right, they're not somehow more important than mine, and of course the reverse is also true. You should try to encourage a more open dialogue about the issues and reach a consensus that everyone can agree with, instead of spamming, and that is EXACTLY what you are doing, these forums to artificially make it seem like your opinion is holds more credence than others.

Some of my friends like to help people leech up, they kill mobs in Ule for us, and we are appreciative of that. It saves us gil for subs that we have no intention to play beyond 49. It allows some of us to be more useful in party and linkshell situations by being more diverse, it's by no means a bad thing, regardless of how you try and frame it.

[Yarly]

Krystal, honestly and truly you are destroying these forums.

I lol'd because it's so true.

[RAIST]

Icestein, I think that's an important point being overlooked by a lot of the complaints about leeching.

Many of the leechers are LS mates/friends of the leader of either the alliance or individual parties, and thus usually have certain rules that apply to the leechers. Maybe they are more offended that they can't get into a party to leech because the leaders have restrictions?

When we started doing it, you could only leech if you were opening boxes--thus, once we hit 3 leeches, no more were allowed. Everyone had to ask beforehand, and we kept a list of people and had a priority--you had to wait your turn.

Now, we have several people who can cleave for us, and a few RDM's to buff them. So, we'll set a day to tag team the WAR and RDM roles, make a list of attendees, and make a day out of it. The new rule is if you want to leech, you HAVE to bring and USE 100 keys BEFORE you can go AFK. We hold a spot for the first 18 people who sign up for it, and only take new members when they leave (or get dropped). If you go AFK without opening keys, or otherwise making plans to do so when someone finishes their spot...then you get bumped. It's crazy when a new group comes in sometimes. 3 or 4 people racing to see who can burn their 100 keys first...heheh.

Raist

HOLY CRAP. 17 flames in the time it took me to write this post. You people need to chill before this thread gets locked too.

[Miera]

HOLY CRAP. 17 flames in the time it took me to write this post. You people need to chill before this thread gets locked too.

It's probably for the best.

[HFX7686]

HOLY CRAP. 17 flames in the time it took me to write this post. You people need to chill before this thread gets locked too.

Obviously we need to get the 'Minimize Downtime' thread unlocked and point out that they need to minimize downtime so people will be playing, not arguing on the forum.

[Dubberrucky]

to say either side is a minority or majority would be a reaching, seeing that it runs on the assumption that everyone in the game posts their opinions in this forum. This thread in particular is only posted on my a very small percentage of the player base mostly made up of the same handful of people posting numerous times. As a side note whenever i did a /search on Sylph when the servers were up there is no clear way to tell that even by zone populations. Most of the time a majority of the people signed on are not even in an abyssea area.

[Greatguardian]

to say either side is a minority or majority would be a reaching, seeing that it runs on the assumption that everyone in the game posts their opinions in this forum. This thread in particular is only posted on my a very small percentage of the player base mostly made up of the same handful of people posting numerous times. As a side note whenever i did a /search on Sylph when the servers were up there is no clear way to tell that even by zone populations. Most of the time a majority of the people signed on are not even in an abyssea area.

Would be true, if not for the fact that one of the key arguments for raising the Abyssea entry requirement revolves around there being "Not enough players willing to exp outside Abyssea for people to party in normal zones". Either they're a minority, or that statement is false. It cannot be both.

[Krystal]

Would be true, if not for the fact that one of the key arguments for raising the Abyssea entry requirement revolves around there being "Not enough players willing to exp outside Abyssea for people to party in normal zones". Either they're a minority, or that statement is false. It cannot be both.

going by that logic is the same as trying to say:"people say they want to join a football team. Either they are a minority or that statement is false."

it holds little water and has no backing to it to make the statement not worth much.