Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Zeitzone]

Why does it matter what you think they deserve it or not? Why does it matter to you?

Also, awww, that's too bad you don't like Abyssea. I like it. I like the change.

Oh i like abyssea, but there has to be a different access level, above 70.
Becouse i really hear bad storys, ppl going afk in Abyssea, and why, becouse they learned it that way, by leeching up.
Why do i need to work for something if i can get it free without even beeing behind the pc.
Thats how this folk here starts to think. And thats not correct, you need to earn anything in life, that is life.

[Odintius]

Comes down to whoever makes the party if they like leecher's the can have them. If you don't want leecher's make the party to 70+.

[Vivik]

Comes down to whoever makes the party if they like leecher's the can have them. If you don't want leecher's make the party to 70+.

Exactly, SE is giving players choices. If you don't like the choices, don't use them. Simple...

[Zeitzone]

Comes down to whoever makes the party if they like leecher's the can have them. If you don't want leecher's make the party to 70+.

That will still not remove leechers from the game, and ppl who dont want to leech are pushed to leech to be able to stick with the game.

[magnius]

Oh i like abyssea, but there has to be a different access level, above 70.
Becouse i really hear bad storys, ppl going afk in Abyssea, and why, becouse they learned it that way, by leeching up.
Why do i need to work for something if i can get it free without even beeing behind the pc.
Thats how this folk here starts to think. And thats not correct, you need to earn anything in life, that is life.

Firstly, FFXI isn't life, which is why I like this easier way to get exp rather than wasting my time getting exp when I shoulda been a 90 and soloing.

Again, so what if get to 90 that way? Who cares if they suck at their jobs. I mean you have your own LS right? Does it make your or your LS worse?

[Zeitzone]

Exactly, SE is giving players choices. If you don't like the choices, don't use them. Simple...

Well and this debate is about changing that, logicaly you cant come in here and say SE gives choice, becouse this thread is about debating to change to 70+
If that is your statement youst leave this thread.^^

[viion]

Comes down to whoever makes the party if they like leecher's the can have them. If you don't want leecher's make the party to 70+.

^ this.

It comes down to the party, dont want leechers, dont invite them.

I just started and have not a lot of interest in grinding my way back up in dead places, fortunately I have a PL which makes the ride easier but others dont, so I am hoping by 30 I can come in to abyssea and leech, but I wont AFK, I will watch, learn what is going on, check peoples gears out and then do the whole chest/trade off thing that you're supposed to do. Then by the time I am at a level I can actually do something I would leave and go spend time skilling up everything because I dont need a 6 man party to do that, skilling up is a A LOT more easier than levelling the old way right now.

I agree AFKing is rude, but SE shouldnt ruin a system just to prevent people from AFKing, whats to stop someone AFking at 70+ lol, nothing. Yes they can actually do something but it all comes down to the person; if they want to AFK they're going to, and then its up to you or the party leader to take action.

It isnt difficult.

[Vivik]

Well and this debate is about changing that, logicaly you cant come in here and say SE gives choice, becouse this thread is about debating to change to 70+
If that is your statement youst leave this thread.^^

Debating there should be no change does belong here. Sorry, but you're wrong.

[Zeitzone]

Firstly, FFXI isn't life, which is why I like this easier way to get exp rather than wasting my time getting exp when I shoulda been a 90 and soloing.

Again, so what if get to 90 that way? Who cares if they suck at their jobs. I mean you have your own LS right? Does it make your or your LS worse?

well but there are ppl who liked the game beeing like life and make it a challenge to get something. Thats why we startet this game. And now in the middle of the games live they change the whole foundation of the game, its like Ossy Osborne whould start to sing Jazz or Blues. All his fans whould say "Wtf?" and he whould lost alot of them.
With abyssea SE changed the whole foundation of FFXI and all player thought "WTF?" and alot left and still leaving.
And we want that challenge ffxi has been for several years, if you want a easy game why not play Guild Wars or WoW, why ruin our great old FFXI by makeing a gimp game with no difficulty out of it.

[magnius]

Becouse your opinion is false.

Opinions can't be true or false because it is an opinion.

It's like saying apples are the best fruit ever. But someone may hate apples and think it's disgusting. Do you understand?