RDM Enhancing magic needs a boost

[Eth]

If you want masters of buffing, you need not look further than Bard and Corsair. Let them have and keep the party buff role.

You're welcome to your personal opinion, but you have to respect the fact that some people's game revolves around the HNM experience, and that they couldn't care less for RDM melee. These players like myself think of RDM as playing an essential supporting role and we would like to keep it that way.

[wildsprite]

You're welcome to your personal opinion, but you have to respect the fact that some people's game revolves around the HNM experience, and that they couldn't care less for RDM melee. These players like myself think of RDM as playing an essential supporting role and we would like to keep it that way.

personally I hate this opinion, I dont play RDM to be a support player, people that try to make me just do support truly make me angry, if I want to be support I'll play WHM or SCH, but not RDM

[Eth]

personally I hate this opinion, I dont play RDM to be a support player, people that try to make me just do support truly make me angry, if I want to be support I'll play WHM or SCH, but not RDM

Yeah I've played with plenty of red mages in parties who thought that support was not their role. Politeness forbids me from telling you what I think about them.

[wildsprite]

Yeah I've played with plenty of red mages in parties who thought that support was not their role. Politeness forbids me from telling you what I think about them.

the thing is, most RDMs who do that don't properly equip themselves either, most of them have really crappy melee gear or have on just mage gear and a sword or dagger, I hunt for the best melee stuff I can wear on RDM and I look for things like ATT+ cause I want to hit harder, I don't like doing melee with crappy gear

[wildsprite]

oh and I can backup heal/buff while I hit the mob with my swords so why shouldn't I? its really not that different than what DNC does with their daggers

[Duelle]

You're welcome to your personal opinion, but you have to respect the fact that some people's game revolves around the HNM experience, and that they couldn't care less for RDM melee. These players like myself think of RDM as playing an essential supporting role and we would like to keep it that way.

Likewise.

At the same time, we're forgetting that one brought a RDM for events and HNM if:

1) You needed someone to help sleep adds (even if BLM could do it better due to Sleepga I and II)
2) Heals, Refresh, Haste and maybe Phalanx II
3) Chainspell + Stun

The job was not that useful to begin with, and the only places where stuff like CS+Stun really made a difference were things like Dynamis-Xarc. Dynamics-wise, refresh is what really got you into events unless Para procced at a crucial moment letting the group remember that you have that on your spell list as well. Remember that when these trends were being set no one had passive MP regen and PLDs, WHMs, and BLMs were addicted to Refresh like it was crack (not mentioning it was way easier to find a RDM than it was a BRD or COR). There's a difference between an actually essential part of a group by game design and something with an inflated value due to a handful of factors. RDM, like it or not, has always been of the latter.

I don't want to really shoot down your stance, because I do acknowledge some RDMs like staying in the back row and support a group. I simply do not want that to once again be the only focus of our job. I'm sure there's a way to make both you and I happy with the class again, but it's up to the devs to make that happen.