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    Player Cyranda's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    Having a pet hit 80% PDT (which is quite easy to attain), is still an incredibly good tank, better than most player characters could be. Even if a perfectly geared and fully def-buffed PLD were to eat a 1k base damage hit to the face, it would be hit for maybe 400 damage. A pet would take 200 (twice as good), with a PDT set that isn't any challenge to attain. Some may argue even that is broken, but I wouldn't mind it. All I'm saying is 100% PDT makes no sense whatsoever.
    I certainly think there are more elegant solutions to giving some jobs advantages where they currently lack, though I think it would make less sense if it also didn't essentially make the BST hit like a cotton ball. Getting 100% damage reduction isn't too badly balanced given the work one has to put into getting it, the return on the investment (low) and the gigantic waste of time it is to solo something using it, especially considering how jobs that DON'T have it, with some exceptions (I'm looking at you, RNG and PLD), can get gear faster and wouldn't actually trade their proccing, stuff-getting status to get 100% PDT, slug-speed killing and poor returns anyway.
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    Last edited by Cyranda; 05-11-2011 at 06:27 PM.

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    Love how that aku is acting like "every job vague and non-descriptive" is something that only started with abyssea.
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    Player Cyranda's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilax View Post
    Thanks for all reply guys, tbh i don't care if BST have -100% PDT, then SE should just give them 20,000,000 attack bonus while at it, so they can kill they stupid NM in 1 sec and not blocking the NM for 90 min...

    For the part where you say BST are refused in LS bc they can't trigger, that just plain bullshit, my friend is often on BST, we use him to tank mob, but you know what? We trick attack him and his pet hold and we trigger and we kill fast, that how the job should be play to not piss off entire community, but yet there always some lame douch that are ready to play on they own and screw everyone on they way careless if it take 90 min.

    Why you think ppl hate the job so much? 7yr ago it was a problem, and guess what? Same deal today, the job isnt a problem, is the way ppl play it....

    Sorry world have plenty of douch, PDT -100% no thanks.
    Wouldn't it be nice if most LSs and parties let their BSTs and PUPs come to do damage and be useful? Well, it's too bad that they don't, and reasonable people are in short supply. Instead of bringing a BST like you might and doing something useful, most groups will just bring another job that can proc (or just go without the BST replacement) and kill fast anyway, with one less person to whom they have to distribute items.

    If they didn't, the BSTs and other jobs wouldn't bother with the slow killing and crappy returns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyranda View Post
    Wouldn't it be nice if most LSs and parties let their BSTs and PUPs come to do damage and be useful? Well, it's too bad that they don't, and reasonable people are in short supply. Instead of bringing a BST like you might and doing something useful, most groups will just bring another job that can proc (or just go without the BST replacement) and kill fast anyway, with one less person to whom they have to distribute items.

    If they didn't, the BSTs and other jobs wouldn't bother with the slow killing and crappy returns.
    Well you know where all this is going to end, everyone will hate BST job more then ever now, and that wont help them at all to be accepted in any LS/Event, is going to be same as it was 7yr ago, BST no thanks go solo.

    Is what you think the best for the job? If so then be it, trust me from now i will never accept a BST in any of my exp PT, nor in my ls. (GO SOLO)

    You think i am the only one that will end with such of reaction? Just wait to see a BST making your LS waste 60~90 min and have to refill stone bc of one of these, and tell me about the feeling.

    Can do that BS full PDT in 2 week, so go figure, i am almost tempted to go do that PDT setup and go BST/WHM and Dia kill the mob in front of your ls and see how you would like it. (Of course after my friend fell cleave me 2600 min)

    This really need to be fix...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyranda View Post
    I certainly think there are more elegant solutions to giving some jobs advantages where they currently lack, though I think it would make less sense if it also didn't essentially make the BST hit like a cotton ball. Getting 100% damage reduction isn't too badly balanced given the work one has to put into getting it, the return on the investment (low) and the gigantic waste of time it is to solo something using it, especially considering how jobs that DON'T have it, with some exceptions (I'm looking at you, RNG and PLD), can get gear faster and wouldn't actually trade their proccing, stuff-getting status to get 100% PDT anyway, slug-speed killing and poor returns anyway.
    This really only happens if they are using all their atmas on regen/pdt and none on doing damage. In those cases when they take that long, I'm in favor of the mob getting PO'd at the delay and bypassing -pdt as part of its raging *cough* Raja example *cough*.

    While we're talking about damage...If you go the opposite way and go full on damage instead of pdt some pets will put out some simply ridiculous damage.
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    No 7 years ago people would just steal what ever NM the bst was soloing. If you didn't want to wait in line for 5 to 8 hours for 18 other people to pop your O.hat mob you got 2 to 3 bst to come help you. On top of all that they were denied a party slot for the longest time cause people thought the -exp for wild pets included the rest of the party. Seeing how no abyssea mobs can be charmed let them have it not like you can't go do other NMs farm KIs or omg farm TEs and stay in the zone forever. I can stay in there as long as I want soloing on blu so if you got 2 to 6 other people can't see why you couldn't do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seriha View Post
    I'm seeing frustration more than anger. With Abyssea being a time-sensitive environment, bumping into someone basically tickling a mob to death is not a good thing, be it a pet job, some alliance zombie'ing, or anything that can attack from range using pinning. As is, other invlunerabilities like Avatars or BRD's bugged carols have been fixed, and actual player damage reduction is capped outside of limited use meds or 2 hours. As much as these jobs may be reveling in the perks of that power, it is an exploit. And while I can empathize with those who had worked to build their -PDT sets for this purpose, this is one of those "Too good to be true!" things.
    What do they call it? Boring the mob to death?
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    I deleted that post because it wasn't funny enough.
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    Last edited by Akujima; 05-11-2011 at 06:45 PM.
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    Player Cyranda's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilax View Post
    Well you know where all this is going to end, everyone will hate BST job more then ever now, and that wont help them at all to be accepted in any LS/Event, is going to be same as it was 7yr ago, BST no thanks go solo.
    I guess enough people might be that petty, but meh. I don't think it happens enough for the entire community, or even a large part of it, to feel that way. I think, rather, that it's really just a minor nuisance being blown way out of proportion.
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    Player Cyranda's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobalVariable View Post
    This really only happens if they are using all their atmas on regen/pdt and none on doing damage. In those cases when they take that long, I'm in favor of the mob getting PO'd at the delay and bypassing -pdt as part of its raging *cough* Raja example *cough*.

    While we're talking about damage...If you go the opposite way and go full on damage instead of pdt some pets will put out some simply ridiculous damage.
    And that they do! It's too bad people aren't inviting for damage of late
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