100% PDT for PET is plain BS.

[Khajit]

IF bst loses thier 100% pdt then logically the same argument means apoc atma should have reraise removed from it.

[Arcon]

IF bst loses thier 100% pdt then logically the same argument means apoc atma should have reraise removed from it.

Show me the logic please, I'll show you its flaws.

[Zaknafein]

This thread needs the whaaambulance.....

[GlobalVariable]

Please hold off before defending long zombie whittling tactics in the same thread griping that pet soloes take to long, I need time to make popcorn.

[Runespider]

IF bst loses thier 100% pdt then logically the same argument means apoc atma should have reraise removed from it.

Not even close to the same thing, if people are zombying the mob it can easily be taken by someone else and even with RR spam they can still easily lose. Hard to lose with a mob where your pet has -100% pdt and -50+ mdt, huge heals with pet food and a 4-5 mins respawn on the pet.

[Aldersyde]

@OP: Did you really stand in abyssea for 60 mins watching someone solo a mob? Really? Really!?! Sweet zombie Jeebus.

If you did, I really have no sympathy. When my ls goes into abyssea with a plan and there's people already fighting the nm we planned on fighting, we go somewhere else. You wasted your own time waiting around for what you probably hoped would be a free nm if the bst died (and let's face it, you probably did think the bst was going to die). If you don't have a plan b or c or q, that's your own fault.

Sure, high pet pdt- may seem ridiculous, but the whole premise of abyssea seems to based on doing broken, ridiculous things. The most ridiculous thing about abyssea? The fact that there's 9 friggin zones filled with natural mobs and not one is charmable. Bst's natural ability is completely useless in 9 friggin zones. But i guess if even if we did have our natural ability in abyssea, you would steal the mob on a pet swap or complain in here if there was a party of bsts continually tossing pets at it.

Honestly, you don't even need DG to kill most things in abyssea if you're a bst. DG is the poor man's route. If you can continuously supply yourself with dippers, have 2 pet eva axes and eva atams, you can pull off a lot of the same stuff with mounted champion and pet food. The same dangers apply: DOT and casters. If you ran into a bst taking out an nm this way, would you be calling for a nerf too?

So much hate on bsts here. I believe it's horribly inefficient to solo nms without procs if you're actually wanting seals and I've sat through dncs, nins, and thfs do this. It sucks sitting on the sidelines waiting. I'm not one to call for a nerf against other jobs, but seriously, in zones where characters are practically godlike, if you take this away from bst and pup ( i guess, never seen the soling you're talking about but if its whm puppet and a pup meleeing how is this different than whm and mnk?), its only fair you give all these nms capped acc so evasion jobs can't solo them either. Let me clear, I don't want any job to be nerfed but if you're going to ban one job from the playground, you may as well ban everyone.

[Ilax]

And why again ppl find that logical a BST get -100% PDT and not other job? Because you think other job would not like tell everyone f... .u i wan solo too? No other job able to do -100% PDT and right there is FAIL, so what the next logical plan, everyone level BST and get -100% PDT setup and hold every NM in the game.

Be serious, this is a major glitch that SE have to issue ASAP, my friend already finished his PDT -100% tonight, and he already holding NM just for fun (Because hey! he can now, so why not?) You know what he told me, AXE took him a big 3 day, head took him 1 day, so ya in 1 week max you can get your -100% PDT.

Some people here just can't face the fact that is broken, i don't care about the JOB, stop QQ about the job suppose to be like that because yet that another BS, there more job then BST that don't fit well in abyssea.

on side note, all my job are 90 and they all full merited, i have savior atma, mandau and masa. So you think a stupid 3 day long investment for a -100% PDT scare me up? ok ya... [they was all 75 PRE-Abyssea, sorry for flamer i am not one of those Abyssea-leecher that pretend to know everything in game]

And yes if i say that is because it frustrate me how a wannabe BST come in front of alliance and hold a NM for 60 min long careless about time wasting, and also make me rage more when i see people here argue how all this is 'suppose to be right'. And you all know this issue is just going to increase every day...

I saw many nin and dnc solo, i never said a word about it, and is simple why... They actually working hard to be able to do it, and is not such of 100% win + they do not take 1h to 1h30 to kill NM. I remember to see a nin/thf solo Benu, he was using temp item etc, i was amazed not shocked, also note he took 35 min to kill, again not 60~90 min long watching a stupid pet get hit by 0 all night.

@OP: Did you really stand in abyssea for 60 mins watching someone solo a mob? Really? Really!?! Sweet zombie Jeebus.

We did not need anything else, 6 member needed that Scorpion, and i can't do anything about that, of course i could just tell everyone, sorry let call it tonight, there a BST taking his sweet time to solo a NM for 1 stone, is that answer work for you?

There situation sometime like that where you can't do anything else...

[Runespider]

@OP: Did you really stand in abyssea for 60 mins watching someone solo a mob? Really? Really!?! Sweet zombie Jeebus.

If you did, I really have no sympathy. When my ls goes into abyssea with a plan and there's people already fighting the nm we planned on fighting, we go somewhere else. You wasted your own time waiting around for what you probably hoped would be a free nm if the bst died (and let's face it, you probably did think the bst was going to die). If you don't have a plan b or c or q, that's your own fault.

Quite a lot of people make PUG now you know? If you spent an hour forming a PUG and go there you can hardly go do something else, you either wait or disband.

[Ilax]

Quite a lot of people make PUG now you know? If you spent an hour forming a PUG and go there you can hardly go do something else, you either wait or disband.

exactly what i mean to say.

[Seriha]

Evasion caps and mob TP moves can easily have higher innate ACC. That's a problem even Yuly would face, but THFs or NINs can't exactly pull 1000+ cures out of their butt for sustained durations and even DNC's option comes at a price. If they die, that's it. There's no running around until timer's ready or just popping a new jug and Snarling away your enmity. The concept of disposable pets has always been problematic in this manner, even as far back as Carby kiting. With no true penalty toward the master for a pet death, you eventually get scenarios like this popping up since they gain more freedom to screw around and find things that work. Of course, even if BSTs lost some EXP each time they let a pet die, it doesn't solve this particular issue. Allowing Charm in Abyssea would just allow anyone to go hog wild regardless of a mob's strengths if you can get it to the right camp, and we'd undoubtedly see the resurgence of QQ over how every other job that subs BST performs better than the main. A 50-60% cap is the simplest and fairest solution.

As for zombie tactics, that's a pretty easy fix. DoTs no longer do damage if double weak, progressive deaths after 2 add a growing delay to the reraise prompt (15/30/45s) and dying 5 times if weak instantly HPs the victim.

Quite a lot of people make PUG now you know? If you spent an hour forming a PUG and go there you can hardly go do something else, you either wait or disband.

If you search a zone and see 150+ people, there's a good chance most mobs are taken if you consider most groups are 2-6 people. Anyone who thinks you can just magically move on to a Plan B and have no hiccup is either trying too hard to defend this exploit or is a very lucky person. Nevermind the fact a Plan B does no good if your target mob is the sole source of something.


Anyway, part of this congestion issue should hopefully be diminished if the mentioned additional ??? pops means you could spawn multiple NMs.