Understanding Puppetmaster Development

[Cyranda]

I read the whole post, but honestly nothing you said wasnt said by others already, and some of which were confirmed bugs and are being fixed (attachments and ws) so /pat on the back for putting it in one place x2?

You do realize this was posted before the adjustments were announced, right, and the content of the message involved the whole thing, and not just what you quoted? And that it suspiciously mirrors some of the announced changes?

And as far as "no offense" and "bandwagon pup"... trust me my 'offensive' responce would have gotten my post nuked with how sick i get of these posts

Well, I suppose if one must have a hobby...

[Glamdring]

No offense but these posts get old fast.

Burts was broken, its now fixed, and its back to pups needing Verethragna or Rev Fists if they want to be high end, and stringing pummel if they want to be just above average.

If you look at all past examples, 99% of the time they leave things in for 3 months and just patch it at the next update. If it were 100 tp/tic it would have been fixed over night, but as is it was 30 seconds for a ws with no melee, which wasnt terribly , but was obviously broken.

I feel bad for all you bandwagon pups who only started playing when burts were noticed to be broken.

Not sure I agree that burts is "fixed". It does nothing now, litterally nothing. Just look at 2 of the level 89 JSE daggers as an example, Rapidus and Triplus? Now that burts has been nerfed down to the equivalent of that level 77(?) bst axe (I have one and I can't even remember the name since I never use it, it's just an inv -1 item) whose only use is for the paltry regain it is not on par with any of the other dropped 89 weaps. The only useful weaps for pup are trial weaps or the damn near impossible to get mythic Kenkonen. We don't even have a relic as an alternative.

Burts should not be a reatively weak level 77 equivalent. They are a level 89 JSE weapon and as such should be on par with the other level 89s. Moreover, pup was designed to be another solo type job, like beast but with a different skill set from the pet. In that regard, burts might actually be justified to be more powerful than the other 89s to keep that solo dynamic in place. 10/tic I'll agree was a bit high, but anything 3-6/tic would be appropriate.

[Dfoley]

I find it hard to say burts does nothing
Its more dmg and less delay then 90% of the trial weapons,
It adds 1 regain and for stuff like bcnm / hnm its useful to have full tp on pet, switch to a good weapon, then tactical switch, (for people with verethragna/rev fists)

Best of all, it took no trials, and can be gotten in as little as a single 30 min trip to abyssea.


I still think the OP was pointless as all of it was already stated in other threads before this, sorry to burst your e-bubble.

[Glamdring]

I find it hard to say burts does nothing
Its more dmg and less delay then 90% of the trial weapons,
It adds 1 regain and for stuff like bcnm / hnm its useful to have full tp on pet, switch to a good weapon, then tactical switch, (for people with verethragna/rev fists)

Best of all, it took no trials, and can be gotten in as little as a single 30 min trip to abyssea.


I still think the OP was pointless as all of it was already stated in other threads before this, sorry to burst your e-bubble.

Considerring that there has been precisely 0 words in response to pup concerns from SE, the OP had a perfect right to start a new thread. I honestly think every single pup with a beef should start a new thread until we actually start to get a response. And don't stop creating new threads until we do!

And as to your points about burts, without the higher regain I can get more desireable traits out of trial weaps than anything burts bring to the table. Attack, acc, def, eva, -pdt, +mab, etc.; all of that is more useful to me than standing arround for 100 tics so I can open with a WS. In aby where I can stack it with VV they are marginally useful, and I'll prolly take one when I fight the NM for whatever, but it's certainly not worth a dedicated trip now. I rate its utility about as high as those +weapon hachimaki pieces, nice if you have them when you need to skill your weapon up but certainly not a need. Burritos were a need.

[LouIsCool]

I feel bad for all you bandwagon pups who only started playing when burts were noticed to be broken.

Yea man, all 8 of the pups on Siren jumps on that ****ing wagon...

30 minute trip to abyssea? What Tier 3 VNM takes 30 minutes? I guess if you are supremely lucky on upgraded abysite, MAYBE 30 minutes. It's also the only VNM that suicides with a 30' aoe magic spell, kills everyone in range and then depops.

[Cyranda]

I still think the OP was pointless as all of it was already stated in other threads before this, sorry to burst your e-bubble.

You must be talking about something else, given that this thread was started about the changes on THE DAY OF the changes and included mention of things that weren't even known until after they were rolled out. I'd find it hard to believe that an inordinate number of people had mentioned, say, the poor damage of AS prior to my post, much less before they had even released it and anyone knew. Even if it were, as unlikely as that is, repeating other threads, reiteration and expounding on issues are common in conversation and completely worthwhile.

I find it hard to say burts does nothing
Its more dmg and less delay then 90% of the trial weapons,

Most of end-result Magian weapons have the same damage and slightly higher delay, and those which people actually use have much better effects than allowing your pet another WS every 5 minutes. It's not like people were going out and getting +CHR Magian weapons. Comparing current-iteration Burats to most of the Magian weapons is like comparing the tastiness of unsweetened baking chocolate to that of a table. Since no one is going to eat the table, it doesn't make a difference what the chocolate tastes like. However, the taste of the baking chocolate, outside of the comparison, is not something anyone is going to enjoy.

It adds 1 regain and for stuff like bcnm / hnm its useful to have full tp on pet, switch to a good weapon, then tactical switch, (for people with verethragna/rev fists)

It takes 5 minutes for the weapon to tick up like that. It'd be a lot more efficient to get an Opo-opo Necklace and some sleeping potions, which is easier, faster and means you don't have to waste time getting a weapon that is otherwise useless.

Best of all, it took no trials, and can be gotten in as little as a single 30 min trip to abyssea.

You can win the lottery in as little as $1, too. Chances are, however, it will take days/weeks depending on how long it takes to change your demilune and get a group together to do it - a group who would be willing to waste their time for you to get what is now a worthless weapon from a T3 monster who people can't be bothered to fight because it doesn't carry anything else that's valuable. It's especially uninviting when anyone could go beat up easy monsters during weather/day for the same potential amount of time and get something much better.

e-bubble

Sometimes I wonder about people.

[Xanaduu]

tbh it also drops that awesome "enhances stoneskin"/enhancing magic casting time- belt which is quite useful to alot of pple. not to mention colorless souls which r annoyingly popular atm so..... i believe its still valuable ^^ lil research goes a long way

[Cyranda]

tbh it also drops that awesome "enhances stoneskin"/enhancing magic casting time- belt which is quite useful to alot of pple. not to mention colorless souls which r annoyingly popular atm so..... i believe its still valuable ^^ lil research goes a long way

Oh, I know what Ogopogo drops. I'm unconvinced that it makes a difference, as I don't see any of those items hotly (or even remotely) sought after, certainly not enough to be the spur that makes people want to help a PUP get their now-defunct Burats. The "annoying popularity" of the colorless souls, if they are even popular, almost certainly is an artifact of being T3 VNMs - on spawn timers - where just a handful of people wanting to upgrade their harp or shield when they need 75 of the souls would make it seem like they were being camped to death.

But then, I can't tell you how many times my emerald demilune has tracked Brulo in Abyssea - Altepa. In my experience, one is more likely to accidentally pop him by resting than to actually see or hear about someone fighting him for colorless souls. Koios, on the other hand, seems to be up only for a few seconds before he's rendered into a thong-wearing corpse, which, I think, speaks do the difference in popularity.

Though, I guess, to be fair, maybe people who want to upgrade *anything* for Bard and Paladin are a lot more popular where you are.

[Cyranda]

The update today (5/13) seems to have given a considerable boost to the new weaponskills, though I haven't tested them on monsters in the Heroes areas. AS seems to have gotten a much bigger boost (it seems to be hitting near 3k on DC tree in Kon, as opposed to 800-1300 before) than String Shredder, but that's to be expected, I should think.

So far, they look promising!