Any new HNM coming?

[Natenn]

Id love to see a 2-4 week HNM pop in any zone, no one gonna camp it like SW/DI/Tiamat. At most botters would only be able to check death spot with third eye to see if it popped in that zone, but with maintenances and updates there wouldn't be any DS up long enough to for them to rely on. After server reset have it open 24hrs after and closes a week after that, then normal timer 2-4 weeks.

Side note: Make Behemoth/King Behemoth pop in that whole outside area in dominion, can at least make botters spread out and not have every 1 able to claim.


Some double HQ of kings be neat to.

[Ethereal]

Just make sure to put the best gear on instanced or triggered HNMs instead of these. I'm sure since you're just in it for the competitive challenge you'll be fighting and camping the free spawning mobs anyways.

Also I'm morbidly curious and you could just as easily lie but have you actually even killed AV or even PW for that matter? Heck have you fought and beat Rani and Shinryu with no brews? Try them without cruor buffs and atma if you want real challenges.

Never killed it at 75, not until 90. We've only killed AV a handful of times via perfect defense and tp burning method. PW we haven't actually tried yet (it's the only thing we havent killed but that's not much to say these days anyway), but again these nms at 90 arent nearly as challenging as they should be. Rani without brewing, yes we have done that, but had buffs. Shinryu without brewing I haven't personally done. But meh @ abyssea nowadays, it's losing luster imo. These NMs would have been great if there was no option to brew or abyssea buff. I like to be proud of accomplishments via reflection of equipment the linkshell has obtained. So we beat Rani or shinryu without brewing, ok great, but every character out there is running around with the same rewards already from a pickmeup group in port jueno.

My opinion, but i would like to be back out in the non-abyssea areas again. I could be crazy but I actually enjoyed camping for hnm. I didn't mind sitting around waiting for pops and fighting for claim, i could get stuff done between windows and it was exciting if we actually claimed.

Why not make 2 versions of these hnm...free ones that pop and you compete to claim, or ones that require high kindred seals or something that you can get the same drops from for people that don't have linkshells that would camp religiously. But i still think they should make juuuust ONE really difficult hnm that spawns.

Exciting to me in this game is getting suprised. Gathering up your forces and a plan and just popping nms is great and all but I think it's weak in entertainment. I prefer to be surprised or caught off guard. Thoughts like "Guys xxx NM is up! get there quick!" or "Hurry up we just claimed xxx, get here quick!" Stuff like that was fun to me, idk

[Runespider]

The only reason people want HNM back is to get the prestige of the old HNMLS and being thought of as better than everyone else, if they added new HNM and gave them drops inferior to what you can already get in ABY how many would want to go kill them for the competitive aspect? None.

HNM were about making bot makers rich, turning endgame players into RMT and encouraging botting and cheating.

[Zaknafein]

As a longtime playstation user. Ps2 then on to Ps3 a few years back I obviously don't bot. I can honestly say at this point I'd welcome fighting against douchey bot users just to fight some new HNM's for the hope of a fight with some actual risk of losing. This era of abyssea easy mode is getting really old. B4 you start with the Durr hurr if you want a challenge fight stuff w/o cruor buffs etc blah blah blah. No thanks! How about some content where you actually have to be a decent player, and there are no crutches period like atma's & cruor buffs and all that crap. As said above nothing can replace the feel of rushing to a HNM when it popped, or being the ones holding it while people rush there.

As far as the rewards they should be above average. Maybe a mix of a slight upgrade and different gear models only availabe from HNM all of which is rare/ex. That would give the people who chose to do the content something to show off. I love when people generalize players who enjoyed HNM like the only possible people who went there were botters. While bot using cheaters did represent a significant portion it was by no means an absolute. I think for the most part the people who whine, and cry on these HNM threads are ones who never even gave it a shot. A significant part of the draw was the excitement of the claim, and the teamwork.

[Runespider]

I can honestly say at this point I'd welcome fighting against douchey bot users just to fight some new HNM's for the hope of a fight with some actual risk of losing.

On my old server everyone had a share of HNM...until a botting LS sprang up and from that point on they got the vast majority of all HNM (crappy players too which made it worse). They had so many members and so many botters that they easily dominated claim on everything, wasting 3 hours+ for them to insta claim it almost every time against the other 4 ls there over and over was not fun or a challenge, nor was constant scanning for >6 hours for worldspawn HNM when they had 3 bots per zone that told them the instant it popped while they were watching TV or something. Once our server merged it completely and utterly destroyed even the small chance of claiming legit because the 3 big botting LS were competing with each other with 5-10+ botters in each all with staggered claim delays. HNM were only for the specific LS that made sure nobody else got them, even after the capped on gear...because they could then sell it.

If they want to make something more challenging add BCNM or force pop HNM which are genuinly difficult and are rationed in some way, anything that can be botted will be botted and bots when used right give a massive advantage. Shells didn't pay upto $1k for bots for no reason.

I think for the most part the people who whine, and cry on these HNM threads are ones who never even gave it a shot. A significant part of the draw was the excitement of the claim, and the teamwork.

I did it for many years, every single day. I know exactly how bad it was when you didn't have any botters in your LS. I do understand what you say about rushing out to the HNM when you got a claim on something with a hold team and I genuinly loved that part of it but after a while the sheer degree of success botters had at claiming meant they could field a lot more people to camp, so in the end none of those exciting times happened.

No matter how good something is if they can't find a way to make it work without cheating giving such an advantage to give them a monopoly then it should be left in the past.

[Zaknafein]

Yeah I hear that. People who bot deserve to be stoned to death. Personally I would love to see a new zone with some scattered enemies, a few T3, and a HNM. Whole zone PvP. Then if a group or linkshell cheats you can kill them. Sounds like hours of good entertainment to me. Lot's of drama sure, but would be exciting drama

[Auredant]

Since the rise level cap the traditional HNM(3 Kings, Sandworm Dark Ixion, Cerberus, Khimaira, Tiamat, ect.) Have pretty much lost their allure, now its not uncommon to see these monsters pop and just sit there unclaimed for minutes, hours, possibly days in some cases. The forced popped HNM in abyssea lose value in my opinion since anyone can just go kill them w/o competition. Camping and claiming is what kept alot of people hooked as it meant more to claim since the spawn timers were once a day/few days. Now all there is to do is stuff anyone can do, game seems less fun without anything worth competing over, i really hope to see a new batch of HNM for endgame Lv91-99 release. Ones that are rare, not like the current trend where anyone can do it. Any developers to share their thoughts, opinions, info.?

Personally i think claiming an HNM is overrated and am glad they've made it obsolete. It just fosters ill will and is not indicative of any skill whatsoever. On top of being extremely boring. And then ya get the odd player that wants to rub in ur face that they beat u to claim. Good riddance.

[Gildrein]

Greetings fellow adventurers!

Seems like many of you are looking for a new challenge in Vana'diel.
It's great to know that spirits for a challenge is burning in your heart.

Well guess what? Dev. team is working on to implement new HNM in the next major version update!

More details will become avaialble soon so stay tuned!

[Rosalie]

whatever it is, i just hope that it's a forced pop and not some ridiculous 21-24hr nightmare again. (or god forbid, 3-7 days)

[Randwolf]

whatever it is, i just hope that it's a forced pop and not some ridiculous 21-24hr nightmare again. (or god forbid, 3-7 days)

I agree. If it's a challenge, claiming it shouldn't be part of the challenge. Otherwise, you get a few groups who monopolize it. And, it should not be some long respawn window if it isn't a forced pop.