Any new HNM coming?

[Sureal]

hey, i will be the first to admit, the first time i fought fafnir i was like "OMG IM TANKING FAFNIR"

then after the 150th kill i was like "heh, 8 mins, we can do better next time"



if you SERIOUSLY consider the world pop hnm's to be "hard" and "challenging" then your "hnmls" fails at life and should stop camping in the first place, wait, are you in Kazoku, cause to kazoku adamantoise was serious business

[Michaeluk]

hey, i will be the first to admit, the first time i fought fafnir i was like "OMG IM TANKING FAFNIR"

then after the 150th kill i was like "heh, 8 mins, we can do better next time"



if you SERIOUSLY consider the world pop hnm's to be "hard" and "challenging" then your "hnmls" fails at life and should stop camping in the first place, wait, are you in Kazoku, cause to kazoku adamantoise was serious business

If you are talking about kaz on quetz i was one of the sack holders in there when Tony was around, and we never camped ada before d4. Also i hope they bring hnm back because you're tears are delicious.

[Orson]

then quit QQ

No matter how you cry I'm not going quit. Especially since the game is pretty awesome right now. You have start realizing you're the minority here and your ideas are terrible.

In fact you should probably just start your own professional whack a mole league. You can call your friends randomly at all times of the day and night to play but only allow them to play for a minute every half hr. People can pitch in $15 a month to buy sweet prizes like hoodies, hats, and bo staves. Of course you only have 1 prize a month for every 10 friends (only giving them 1 if they come enough.) Damn that sounds awesome, oh wait...

[Sureal]

No matter how you cry I'm not going quit. Especially since the game is pretty awesome right now. You have start realizing you're the minority here and your ideas are terrible.

In fact you should probably just start your own professional whack a mole league. You can call your friends randomly at all times of the day and night to play but only allow them to play for a minute every half hr. People can pitch in $15
a month to buy sweet prizes like hoodies, hats, and bo staves. Of course you only have 1 prize a month for every 10 friends (only giving them 1 if they come enough.) Damn that sounds awesome, oh wait...

more like, you have one person that gets a prize 4 months in a row while everyone else gets the shaft

[Natenn]

I meant "Then quit QQing" not quit the game. I never botted, don't spread lies when you don't even know me. All im trying to get across is this: Make something competitive for us to do, theres no glory to be had in abyssea, everything in there is a joke to kill. Im sorry if you took it the wrong way but up to this day the only competitive thing to do was HNM. Theres no real reason for LS to exist anymore outside socializing, with the exception of PW/AV(drops outdated anyway), everything can be done with 3-6 ppl at 90. And if something is to easy whats to brag about? Nothing, i made a Kanaggi solo, big whoop 200+ ppl on server have 1 to. I want to beat ppl at something , i have always loved competitive things.

[Dazusu]

Personally I love HNM, I love the competetive nature of them.

If you don't, and you prefer Abyssea - that's fantastic. No one is asking to take away your easymode. Infact, I hope they continue to add more of it. But for those of us who do love to be tortured, cater for us too. You don't want to be apart of it, then don't. No one is forcing you.

I'd be quite content if they added new HNM that was a challenge to claim, and even more difficult to fight; even if they dropped items which were readily available in Abyssea.

What the Abyssea fanbois don't seem to get is that most of us aren't after an NM which spawns every 21-24 hours that drops some uber fantastic best of the best item that only one person will get once a week. No, what we're after is a challenging fight and a competetive claim (this can be across several zones to alleviate any chance of botting).

For those of you who want disproportionate rewards in comparison to the difficulty of the fight, you will have Abyssea and your Abyssea-Dynamis matrix; for the what, 10% of the player base who do enjoy HNM, would it hurt to add one or two in? Just like DI and SW were added a couple years ago.

[Orson]

I meant "Then quit QQing" not quit the game. I never botted, don't spread lies when you don't even know me. All im trying to get across is this: Make something competitive for us to do, theres no glory to be had in abyssea, everything in there is a joke to kill. Im sorry if you took it the wrong way but up to this day the only competitive thing to do was HNM. Theres no real reason for LS to exist anymore outside socializing, with the exception of PW/AV(drops outdated anyway), everything can be done with 3-6 ppl at 90. And if something is to easy whats to brag about? Nothing, i made a Kanaggi solo, big whoop 200+ ppl on server have 1 to. I want to beat ppl at something , i have always loved competitive things.

I enjoy a challenge but camping isn't challenging. I think adding some tougher NMs would be fine but the reward to time spent ratio as it stands is very good right now. If they introduce new HNMs they should not only have gear drops but have a point, badge, seal system that rewards players cumulatively. Even if it's a relatively slow process of earning the gear from the points at least you are gaining progress and you won't be the person unlucky enough to random poorly consistently.

At this point in the game how do you make challenging HNMs? SE is already riding the monster damage output vs the player's ability to mitigate and heal that damage on a razors edge. There's very few ways to make a NM harder without making it nigh impossible or require silly gimmicks like AV. If you do make a NM like that then you better be able to kill it otherwise most people will write it off out of annoyance. Making groups throw more people at a HNM is a bad idea too. Players do not want to be reliant on a full alliance to play any more. Smaller groups are the way people have been doing everything for the last 2-3 yrs. Definitely any worth while LS wasn't tending to need more than like 6-8 people for the majority of events and NMs.

Finally for people care about e-peen, I really wish would just straight up leave the game. Most people do want the best gear for many reasons but just to want the best gear so you can rub it in peoples faces is an egotistical attitude. It's the poor sport that wins and then bad mouths the competition and professes their superiority. No one likes that person but because they have the anonymity online they seem to forget how foolish it makes them look. Fair competition is fun but when the game is all about who has the most free time, the most friends, and best the bots I have a hard believing that's fair. Odds are if competition is your main draw to this game you're either solely focused on that far too much or you just don't have the skills to play true competitive games like RTS, FPS, Sports, etc.

@Dazusu
You can't cater to both crowds because as our friend Natenn shows us the whole reason that people liked the world spawns was the bottle neck it created on the best gear in the game. People who enjoy abyssea and other events like that tend to hate the idea of other players preventing them from getting the best gear. So what then, you add the best gear to both? You really think that'll make people happy? It's possible but automatically the world spawn fans will spout off saying well we have to camp these NMs like hardcore so the droprates should be worse off the stuff that you can just fight any time. In turn that'll piss off the people who prefer instanced/triggered content because they'll be pushed to go fight both because the droprates are far better on the NMs. So it's just lose lose.

Also you can't prevent botting. Maybe in theory you can but SE has put little to no effort into stopping bots. Bots progressively got better and more common. If you think that you have an advantage over a botter for stuff like DI/SW then no one has explained to you what some of these programs can do. POS hacking and other blatant cheating aside you can set up your system to alert you the second a monster pops from any where in the zone. Even if you're a fully leveled Rng avidly hitting your widescan you're probably at a disadvantage. Everything that you do that you consider skillful can easily be replicated and probably done better by a program for the most part. Even if SE did take botting extremely seriously it would almost be impossible to stop.

[Dazusu]

If you think that you have an advantage over a botter for stuff like DI/SW then no one has explained to you what some of these programs can do.

You're right, a legitimate player will never outclaim DI/SW vs packet ID scanner, or staggered bots. I don't need anyone to explain to me how they work.

I enjoy the claiming competition and the challenging/rare fights.

There's absolutely no reason both types of player can't be catered for. It was done in the past, it can be done now (Kings : Salvage, as an example).

It's evident that some people really detest the HNM/old end-game scene, and that's fine. It's definitely not for everyone. For those who do enjoy it, letting it die is a shame. Again - no one is asking for Abyssea content to be removed, or for less of such accessible content. Keep it coming; but throwing in the odd HNM every now and then isn't going to hurt anyone.

MMOs in general are designed for people with varying levels of free time - and content available should match that. If you don't have many hours to play - then there should be easily accessible content available. If you are fortunate enough to have more time to play - then there should be tougher content available too.

It doesn't come down to "not having skill to play an FPS", that's just silly. Is it really difficult to believe that some people just enjoy that type of HNM content? We all have our own tastes, likes and dislikes. Don't impose yours upon others.

[Orson]

You're right, a legitimate player will never outclaim DI/SW vs packet ID scanner, or staggered bots. I don't need anyone to explain to me how they work.

I enjoy the claiming competition and the challenging/rare fights.

There's absolutely no reason both types of player can't be catered for. It was done in the past, it can be done now (Kings : Salvage, as an example).

It's evident that some people really detest the HNM/old end-game scene, and that's fine. It's definitely not for everyone. For those who do enjoy it, letting it die is a shame. Again - no one is asking for Abyssea content to be removed, or for less of such accessible content. Keep it coming; but throwing in the odd HNM every now and then isn't going to hurt anyone.

MMOs in general are designed for people with varying levels of free time - and content available should match that. If you don't have many hours to play - then there should be easily accessible content available. If you are fortunate enough to have more time to play - then there should be tougher content available too.

It doesn't come down to "not having skill to play an FPS", that's just silly. Is it really difficult to believe that some people just enjoy that type of HNM content? We all have our own tastes, likes and dislikes. Don't impose yours upon others.

Ok so let's see would you be fine with them putting in an extremely hard monster that you camped for 1-24 hrs with no spawn window? Then they make it so that if you fought that NM you can't fight the same NM that is instanced that you can pop every day? I'm talking the exact same drops and the exact same challenge just one spawns and one is instanced. You could put out the hardest NM in the game that had a 1-72 hr window and despawned after being up for 3 hrs but if it dropped the same gear as something that took you 1-72 hrs to farm a pop for you'd think this was unfair.

No, you don't like that? Of course you don't because the heart of your competition isn't about fighting over claims it comes from the wish to feel elite by getting the best gear that no else has access to. Sure maybe you couldn't spend quite as much time farming other portions of the game but it didn't block you from enjoying other content. Some players simply just do not have the time to camp stupid NMs that have obscene spawn schedules and putting the best gear on them is a slap in the face to those players.

Basically it's like I said you can't cater to both sides. Everyone actually enjoys playing the game as opposed to watching other people play the game. It will be impossible to find a balanced middle ground between these 2 ways of playing. Given that the majority of players will never get to take advantage of a truly bottlenecked HNM system you have more upset than happy players. So unless you can come up with something that is fair to the rest of the community world spawn style HNMs will never be popular with the majority. If SE does bring them back they will have a massive outrage on their hands to satisfy a tiny group of players.

As for it being about competition. You should realize, that as an individual you are not important when it comes to competing for HNMs. If you really have been claiming the majority of NMs it isn't skill. You're either extremely lucky, the rest of your server sucks, and/or you cheat like crazy. The HNMs you're talking about are just a contest of who has the most free time, the most friends, and the best bots. Argue all you want that it takes skill but you're just deluding yourself. The only thing that might take some skill is holding the NM until the mass army gets their so you can kill it before it rages.

If you actually were looking for challenge then you'd play real sports or games that actually relied on you having a quick reaction time like RTS, PVP, and FPS games. This game is terrible for PVP experiences all it has is the ability to stop other players from enjoying content. Which in most other MMOs is considered griefing!