Were Emps supposed to be this easy?

[Runespider]

Do you think they realised just how easy they made emps to get, and with that do you think they will be unable to upgrade them beyond 90?

When you actually bash out an Emp it's amazing just how quick and easy they are and quite how powerful they are with it. Not hard to cap one in a week and they are literally everywhere now, to the point of being common.

When you finish a relic and see how minor an upgrade they always were and for such a massive time investment it's kinda boggling how they did Emps.

Anyone else think they misjudged how easy they made them? It's hard to balance a game where they have weapons that are so powerful and so easy to get.

[Karbuncle]

I think Empyreans were suppose to be a easier-to-obtain goal as compared to Mythic/Relics. I think they were suppose to be the "Casual" Mythic/Relics.

What i don't think they knew would happen is the WS's being so powerful it completely obsoletes relics/mythics on most jobs.

Which is why they're adjusting the power of Relic/Mythics, not adjusting how to obtain Empyreans.

[Mirage]

I think they knew how strong they were gonna be, yeah.

And I'm pretty sure relic weapons weren't a small increase in power form normal weapons, at least not when relics were introduced. The problem was however that relics for a long time put a "soft cap" on how fast and how big the "power creep" in the rest of the game could be. Until they finally realized that was a bad idea and introduced empyrean weapons anyway.

[Eeek]

I only have a WoE Empyrean, and I still don't mind that they're so 'easy' to make. These weapons still take time, effort, and friends to upgrade all the way to 90. Empyreans are accessible. They do not require a player to be filthy rich or play FFXI 80 hours a week.

I vastly prefer this way of making top-of-the-line weapons as opposed to the absolute BS that are the Relic and Mythic quests.

[Leonlionheart]

If they were to do relics and mythics justice in comparison to the difficulty of making empyreans, I would say mythic WS's should do about 6x as much as empyreans, and relics maybe 4x's. Or at least have better utility.

But I would accept mythics or relics being just a small upgrade, as long as they were the best.

Right now however nothing really seems to come close to empyreans, besides the infamous Ryunohige. Ragnarok might have a chance, but compared to Caladbolg, I doubt it.

[Eeek]

I agree, but the game's still in flux right now and will be until the cap's settled at 99. I don't mind that the balance between relics, mythics, and empyreans is a little wonky until then.

[Mirage]

If they were to do relics and mythics justice in comparison to the difficulty of making empyreans, I would say mythic WS's should do about 6x as much as empyreans, and relics maybe 4x's. Or at least have better utility.

But I would accept mythics or relics being just a small upgrade, as long as they were the best.

Right now however nothing really seems to come close to empyreans, besides the infamous Ryunohige. Ragnarok might have a chance, but compared to Caladbolg, I doubt it.

I'm of the impression that it's normal that things get progressively harder (read: time consuming) to get compared to the power of the item. That's also pretty similar to how it works in the real world, for example when buying a computer or other fancy devices. The more "cutting edge" something is, the less bang for the buck you get. In a game where you have rare/ex items, your buck is of course time invested.

I don't know about you guys, but I think it would be ridiculous if an new greataxe was implemented which was exactly twice as strong as ukonvasara in every aspect, would only take twice the time to complete.

[Kingofgeeks]

they're only easy to get if you have time to get them

[wish12oz]

Do you think they realised just how easy they made emps to get

How many empyreans do you have exactly? And what level are they?
Recently I've noticed 99% of the people who complain about how easy empyreans are, or how overpowered they are, don't have any, and I find it pretty funny. Empyreans are not all that easy to get to 90, it's perfectly fine the way it is.

We need less QQ empyreans are easy and overpowered threads, and more THANKS FOR THE AWESOME WEAPONS THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE SE threads.

[RaenRyong]

How many empyreans do you have exactly? And what level are they?
Recently I've noticed 99% of the people who complain about how easy empyreans are, or how overpowered they are, don't have any, and I find it pretty funny. Empyreans are not all that easy to get to 90, it's perfectly fine the way it is.

We need less QQ empyreans are easy and overpowered threads, and more THANKS FOR THE AWESOME WEAPONS THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE SE threads.

trust a cat to come forward with the winning argument!

This is entirely true. They're easy in so much that they're accessible but you still need organisational skills/some level of skill/etc.

Wanting only a tiny tiny fraction of players having the top gear is akin to thinking Defending Ring's droprate is reasonable, or that you should have to compete in HNM to get the best stuff. Why does it matter to you what other people have?

Empyreans are still not "common" by any stretch of the imagination.