Oh look more swords blu cant use! >.>

[Scuro]

The only flaw you have in your argument when it comes to DD RDM, is that its RDM.... You spelt it wrong its DD BLU. Thats the whole reason why this class was created, and its the reason why SE has announced the door being slammed on the noses of DD RDMs everywhere by saying "No no no RDMs! You naughty naughtys! Your back line buffers and enfeeblers!" RDM/DRK will never rival BLU's stuns.... ever. our recast is rediculous and reduced by +1/+2 Mavi Bazubands, on top of the native fast casts we are open to. RDM's been beating the dead horse by sticking to the one description that RDM is a "Jack of All Trades" so of course its mean to DD RIGHT!?.... No BLU has been now given that definition as it should be to begin with, not only can we do multiple elements of magic damage, but we can also do multiple types of physical damage (slashing, piercing, blunt) more effectively then any RDM could ever hope to dream to do. Also we are the one's given WS's like Vorpal Blade and not RDM... I mean I just don't understand why RDMs are so determined to hold their stubborn ground on making a class that is given more mage gear then DD gear, into a DD class. It is clearly a backline job, and if it wasn't already made clear by the creation of BLU or the community, SE has pretty much knocked on your door, and said to your face "Your wrong" with the FFXI Manifesto.

[Zagen]

RDM doesn't need Magian trials for dagger setup to work.

Usually I'd ignore your posts but boy is there a lot of misinformation in it...

The only flaw you have in your argument when it comes to DD RDM, is that its RDM.... You spelt it wrong its DD BLU. Thats the whole reason why this class was created, and its the reason why SE has announced the door being slammed on the noses of DD RDMs everywhere by saying "No no no RDMs! You naughty naughtys! Your back line buffers and enfeeblers!"

SE never shut the door if they did RDM wouldn't be on Almace or any Sword trials.

RDM/DRK will never rival BLU's stuns....

RDM/DRK or RDM/BLM might not have as short of a recast as Head Butt, but it does have better consistancy... Let's not forget when you're going to Stun lock for a zerg you bring a RDM to Chainspell Stun not a BLU to Head Butt.

RDM's been beating the dead horse by sticking to the one description that RDM is a "Jack of All Trades" so of course its mean to DD RIGHT!?.... No BLU has been now given that definition as it should be to begin with, not only can we do multiple elements of magic damage, but we can also do multiple types of physical damage (slashing, piercing, blunt) more effectively then any RDM could ever hope to dream to do.

Outside of SE Apollyon who gives a damn about different damage types, that's a situational concern at best? As to elemental nukes the only thing we have over RDM that actually matters is AoE nukes and that's situational at best. Nothing in the game resists all elements besides Light and Dark which means a RDM will always nuke better than BLU.

Also we are the one's given WS's like Vorpal Blade and not RDM... I mean I just don't understand why RDMs are so determined to hold their stubborn ground on making a class that is given more mage gear then DD gear, into a DD class. It is clearly a backline job, and if it wasn't already made clear by the creation of BLU or the community, SE has pretty much knocked on your door, and said to your face "Your wrong" with the FFXI Manifesto.

RDM doesn't need Vorpal Blade to DD. As to your logic of "a class that is given more mage gear then DD gear" tell that to a PUP see how far that gets you... Again the fact RDM is on Excalibur, Mandau, and Almace definitely tell me SE wanted RDM to be a backline job(sarcasm if you can't tell). What SE intended and what the community decided works are two very different things.

I understand this is a BLU forum but really if you're going to bash another job to make BLU sound superior do it right or don't even bother.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Eh.... Best geared Blu is at least 20-30% better than max geared Rdm assuming no CA/Efflux/Enspells, so he does have a point in that regard. But imo Blu wasn't introduced to be 'melee rdm', it was introduced since it was an original job in FF lore and to promote buying TAU.

[Defiledsickness]

im not saying Rdm is a better DD then Blu, im saying rdm can DD. i didnt say it will outparse a blu in dynamis, i said it has good survivability. blu cant tank the stuff rdm can, trust me i have died a lot on blu. (blu/rdm/sch/war/pld/dnc/smn/brd/whm at lvl 90)

[Kwate]

Our Phalanx (hopefully) should change that.

[Prothscar]

Name something that a RDM can tank and a BLU can't, I'm having some trouble understanding what tools RDM has that gives it so much of an advantage that it can tank more mobs than a BLU can.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Can't think of anything due to nerfs etc.

[Ryozen]

Large-scale tanking where the BLU is being backed up by a WHM and a BRD, there may not be much difference.

Low-man or solo, a RDM requires less support due to Composure'd Phalanx, Aquaveil, Haste, Refresh II, a cheaper/higher-absorb SS, and better Fast Cast.

Good luck keeping hate on the RDM these days, though.

[Kwate]

RDM has Pro/Shell, Phalanx, Convert (useless while tanking) as an advantage over us in that regard. Our haste and refresh is 5min, which is very manageable, cocoon helps close the gap with said advantages of RDM. In regards to SS, while it's nice Occult gives us much more versatility while tanking. BLU's have a plethora of mp efficient hate control spells (ie. Actinic Burst, Jettura, etc.) as well as JA's that allow for spike damage to maintain control or to retrieve it once its lost.

[Prothscar]

Pro/Shell shouldn't really be a factor, if you're tanking you're probably getting more potent Shell from a WHM, or at least comparable Shell from another support job. SS is inefficient when it comes to casting it mid-fight, and is also somewhat chancy as Aquaveil won't always protect you for the full cast. Phalanx is nice, but Cocoon isn't very far behind in terms of pure damage reduction, though I'm not saying it's as good obviously, and is almost negligible when considering Utsusemi + Occultation. Fast Cast shouldn't be required for you to be able to tank.