The official Dark Knight adjustment and suggestion topic.

[Gradd]

A good WAR, outside of abyssea will parse 10% higher than a good DRK. Retaliation alone is Broken.

Even at 75 a good WAR would wipe the floor with an Apoc DRK, and that says something x:

Edit:

I don't think DRK is bad outside abyssea at all, Caladbolg DRK is very strong outside of abyssea.

I always took pride at 75 being able to outparse 'better' jobs on DRK :x

I miss merit pts parsing was fun

[Kagato]

Though it is worth noting that twilight scythe makes us the best melee DD on alot of mobs becuase of it's dmg type.

That's only if Formless Strikes are even needed. Otherwise, just use Woeborn, Apoc or Redemption. The "Death" novelty wears off the moment you realize Endark cancels it out, leaving you with a scythe that's more situational than it is for full-time. Besides, Woeborn is 10x easier to get.

But when going against something strong against physical strikes, break out Twilight by all means.

[Quetzacoatl]

ill go with my Hundreds of parses over whatever they tested this with......................

Since when did parses EVER mean anything outside of Merit Parties?

[Jar]

A good WAR, outside of abyssea will parse 10% higher than a good DRK. Retaliation alone is Broken.

Even at 75 a good WAR would wipe the floor with an Apoc DRK, and that says something x:

Edit:

I don't think DRK is bad outside abyssea at all, Caladbolg DRK is very strong outside of abyssea.

I always took pride at 75 being able to outparse 'better' jobs on DRK :x

I miss merit pts parsing was fun

Why would the War have hate to get retaliation to even work.. <_<

wish there was a good war on my server.. i havn't lost a parse in months.. QQ

[Jar]

That's only if Formless Strikes are even needed. Otherwise, just use Woeborn, Apoc or Redemption. The "Death" novelty wears off the moment you realize Endark cancels it out, leaving you with a scythe that's more situational than it is for full-time. Besides, Woeborn is 10x easier to get.

But when going against something strong against physical strikes, break out Twilight by all means.

Go read what twilight actually does on wiki you'll notice that about 90% of the time twilight > Woeborn

[Kagato]

Go read what twilight actually does on wiki you'll notice that about 90% of the time twilight > Woeborn

You got the ">" backwards. Change it to < and you'll be correct, otherwise you're an idiot.

Woeborn has a stronger base damage, higher base delay making a 5-hit even easier, enhances Endark to deal even MORE damage, adds +7 Dark Magic Skill and +6 Strength.

Twilight Scythe has a kind of Formless Strikes and a Death effect that is canceled out by Endark, making it even weaker, and Death cant even work on NMs. The only reason to ever use this scythe for any reason is to use against mobs where the hidden effect will actually mean something, which is very situational.

So, what was that about Twilight being better again?

[Urteil]

Unless you're talking about PvP Twlight scythe is far from being better than the Woeborn in PvE situations.


I know that you aren't talking about PvP because well, you're all you.

[Jar]

You got the ">" backwards. Change it to < and you'll be correct, otherwise you're an idiot.

Woeborn has a stronger base damage, higher base delay making a 5-hit even easier, enhances Endark to deal even MORE damage, adds +7 Dark Magic Skill and +6 Strength.

Twilight Scythe has a kind of Formless Strikes and a Death effect that is canceled out by Endark, making it even weaker, and Death cant even work on NMs. The only reason to ever use this scythe for any reason is to use against mobs where the hidden effect will actually mean something, which is very situational.

So, what was that about Twilight being better again?

Hidden Effect: Deals damage that sets Damage Types modifiers to 1 on enemies. Bypasses "Physical Immunity" and "Physical Shield" effects. Will also Bypass some but not all "Physical absorb" effects.

^reason the base damage doesn't matter.^

also if you didnt notice endark is resisted by almost everything. I only keep it up for the ATTACK and 5.. attack < having the damage type mod changed

Edit and i just checked and twilight has a better DPS and will win when both are 5hit because of its lower delay.

[Urteil]

^reason the base damage doesn't matter.^

also if you didnt notice endark is resisted by almost everything. I only keep it up for the ATTACK and 5.. attack < having the damage type mod changed

Edit and i just checked and twilight has a better DPS and will win when both are 5hit because of its lower delay.

Base damage matters because during weapon skills the scythe does physical damage, not magical.

-What about mobs that are resistant to magical damage? There are very many bosses and VIP mobs that can mitigate magical damage just as mobs with high defense or -pdt can mitigate the damage from a non twilight scythe.


-The scythe has higher base damage, and bolsters endark giving you MORE ATTTACK, which is why you USE ENDARK. Not to mention having the side effect of bolstering the minimal utility we have in making all our dark magic more accurate drains/stuns.'

-You are giving up a+70~ attack with woeborn on as a self buff, for a very very very low and random % proc, even on trash mobs, in a PVE SITUATION.

Which helps boost WS damage greatly, and helps cap your melee damage on monsters where otherwise it would be the fevered dream of a madman.

Are you sure this isn't a Ballista discussion because thats the only way I could see somebody championing Twilight scythe over a weapon with higher base damage that buffs endark.

The death effect doesn't proc on anything worth a shit, only on weak mobs its a gimmick weapon, plain and simple.

I bet you're one of those DRK's with Twilight scythe and some perle pieces, who just want to believe that Twilight is the end all. You're a damn fool.

[Gradd]

I bet you're one of those DRK's with Twilight scythe and some perle pieces, who just want to believe that Twilight is the end all. You're a damn fool.

If you wanna make personal attacks on gear you should police your own first, lose the Mythril Grip +1.

Jars DRK isnt the best but he isnt a perle DRK I can say that much he has +2 body, and the rest of his +1, I am sure it wont be long till he is rocking the rest of his +2.