Avesta Bangles

[katiekat]

It is especially funny because avesta just copied strategies that were used since the time the first rdm reached level 9. Avesta was not the first, nor the best. He was simply the first to record all of his solos, and gain recognition.

I came up with exactly the same strategies avesta used on my own at level 50, back in 2004, without ever seeing a single rdm/nin before that, let alone any real soloing done. The difference between me and avesta at the time was that he was level 75 with all the best gear, and i was a casual at level 50, who ended up putting rdm off for 3 years. We were using exactly the same strategies to do exactly the same things, just on different mobs.

i hate to say this because usely rogs' posts make me wanna stab a puppy in the face but.... he has a good point this time. i new RDM's that did things like that back before avesta was big.

now if you excuse me i have to go bath in terpintime to wash this bad feeling off from agreeing with rog

[MarkovChain]

Did rog solo his duelist chapeau yet ?

[rog]

Did rog solo his duelist chapeau yet ?

Not. In fact, i passed 3 of them yesterday, because i don't really care about +5 enfeeb skill (already have wivre hairpin, and laurel wreath).

[MarkovChain]

You should go solo it then, and then come here explaining how you are killing the NM better and faster. The first person that solved order 2 polynomial equations was a genius. Just because everyone and they sisters can compute b^2-4ac in less than 10 seconds doesn't mean the other guys was bad. The whole point of soloing is to be the first one ; past that it's not worth mentionning.

[rog]

Because the first time soloing a particular nm is any different than soloing 100 other nms using exactly the same strategy? There are no such thing as original solos. Every single one uses one of 3 different strategies:

1) kite, nuke, dot, etc. Can either use bind/grav/pinning to stay away from the mob, or simply running around something that slows the mob down, or even just using +move speed to gain distance.
2) straight fight. generally relies on utsu, etc to stay alive, can either melee, or fight exactly as above, without the running (when kiting is impossible, such as cactrot rapido).
3) zombie: bring lots of rr, and bio2.

That is it. All solos use a variation of one of those three basic strategies. The only difference between big bomb and suzaku is that suzaku hits a bit harder, uses chainspell, and requires better gear. Otherwise it is exactly the same fight.

being the first really does not matter at all, because really, no one is first. All solos rely on strategies that are as older than the game itself, and applying a 20 year old strategy to a new mob is not new.

Your analogy is flawed because the strategies are so old, and obvious, and have been independently thought up probably 10s of thousands of times. Coming up with "ohey, i can outrun this monster, and attack it at a distance, but it can only attack me if it is right next to me, so i can just keep running, and using ranged attacks to solo it" is not impressive. It was not impressive the first time someone came up with the idea, and it was not impressive the next hundred thousand times someone came up with it.

I would say that the execution of a strategy is ALL that matters. Spending 20 minutes running running away from a monster in super mario shooting fire balls at it is not impressive, but if you cut that down to 10 seconds, it just might be.

[Sama]

There are no such thing as original solos. Every single one uses one of 3 different strategies:

1) kite, nuke, dot, etc. Can either use bind/grav/pinning to stay away from the mob, or simply running around something that slows the mob down, or even just using +move speed to gain distance.
2) straight fight. generally relies on utsu, etc to stay alive, can either melee, or fight exactly as above, without the running (when kiting is impossible, such as cactrot rapido).
3) zombie: bring lots of rr, and bio2.

That's being said, in my opinion, the time Avesta solo'ed those NM, there were thousands more people were doing, except they did not make a video of it with the nice and cute jp pol.

So if today SE is telling me they make an item and name after him/her, what's going on? Is that mean the rest soloist copied him???

[Francisco]

He isn't that great, i can solo despot, and everything else he has in 1/3 the time he takes.

While moving 1/3 faster too.

[Greatguardian]

So if today SE is telling me they make an item and name after him/her, what's going on? Is that mean the rest soloist copied him???

The Bangles are named after the same thing Avesta's character is named after. The thread's OP is definitely misleading.

[Romanova]

Because the first time soloing a particular nm is any different than soloing 100 other nms using exactly the same strategy with speed hacks?

ftfy


Avesta may not be the "most amazing" rdm soloer, but again he showed a lot of rdms who didn't know any better what was up. Rog is just a sore loser people don't look to him instead.

[rog]

Rog is just a sore loser people don't look to him instead.

It is ok, plenty of people already do.

While moving 1/3 faster too.

I would never speed hack because obviously i am not some dirty cheater, but hypothetically, if i did, i would certainly turn them off while soloing. There is no point in it if i am just going to cheat. But again, i would never use them in the first place, so the point is mute.