Nin are better tanks now?

[wish12oz]

My "Abyssea group" is 3 freaking people + 1 THF mule who sometimes plays, and we all have Empyreans and at least 1 full set of AF3+2

My group is currently 8 people, 12 accounts, we've done uh... 7 empyreans, everyone has an empyrean, and at least 3 full sets of af3+2, even our mules are better geared then most other players. The only exception to this is that we acquired 3 new members very recently, and they're not super well geared, YET. But we do things like pass everything they want to them before we established members take it for our 4th or 5th or even 6th/7th/not leveled jobs.

And I've never been in an LS that's all about farming for the leaders, that's not my style and I wouldn't put up with it. Any LS I was ever in that acted like that I quickly left as soon as I noticed. Under no circumstances do I advocate that sort of playstyle, and I look down on anyone who runs anything that way or stays around when they see it's run that way.

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[Akujima]

I fail to see the problem with this mentality, stop trying to put perfectionists down, if it wasn't for us, you would still be exping at 3k an hour and thinking it's effing amazing, farming 1 empyrean weapon a month and thinking it was fast, etc. My idea of fun is being the best, if it's not yours, thats fine, but don't come on these boards or any other and insult my ideals, and not expect me to insult you and yours back. Maybe if you weren't so terrible at this game you could find people to do stuff with and get the best stuff, then you wouldn't be here whining about how inferior you are.

I'm pretty sure its you and GG that have the inferiority complex. Being the ones who have to prove themselves so superior in a video game. Needing to "Be the Best" and all that jazz. You're good at gloating how "good" you think you really are, and whether that's true or not, people like saevel and I are just sick of hearing about it.

[Greatguardian]

I'm pretty sure its you and GG that have the inferiority complex. Being the ones who have to prove themselves so superior in a video game. Needing to "Be the Best" and all that jazz. You're good at gloating how "good" you think you really are, and whether that's true or not, people like saevel and I are just sick of hearing about it.

I could care less about being "The best", but that's a far cry away from caring about being half decent at the game. FFXI is not super hard bro, but contrary to popular belief it does take an IQ greater than potato to actually succeed at it. It may be easy as shit for any good FFXI player who can understand high school algebra to solo an Empyrean weapon and get tons of AF3+2, but that doesn't mean anyone can solo an Empyrean.

Expecting people to have an IQ greater than potato and to put a modicum of effort into translating high school algebra is just way too much. It's easier to rag all day on the people who do get shit done, and talk about "elitist jerks who only care about +2s, who can only mash 1-2 macros like WoW, who have no creativity, and only worry about comparing epeen damagez with each other".

The people coming up with unorthodox new strategies that actually succeed are never the hipster tards. They're the "number crunching geeks" who know enough about the game to actually succeed at thinking outside the box.

[Akujima]

This is horse sh!t. Having played over a dozen MMO's I can say with authority that while every MMO does have elements of e-peen waiving, I've never ~ever~ seen it as bad as in FFXI. You people take the concept of "perfection" to such an extreme that it discourages fun and fair game-play. Things get to the point that "if your not X job doing Y function, then you need to either level X job or jump off a bridge and die". You get people like wish who turn into obvious trolls and go around like their some sort of super "elite" player. You get sites like BG that become this cesspit of elitism, where they stand around all day and pat each others back and tell each other how great they are and how much everyone else sucks. In effect you try to mold the game for the 1~5% group instead of the 95% group. We saw this with the "WAR SAM MNK BRD BRD RDM" mentality that consumed the game so much that people were quitting due to lack of enjoyment / participation. Where content was being made accessible only to the 5% and not to the 95%.

I don't usually try to gang-up vs the "min/max'ers"... but, yea... Dude you are on the ball with this.

If SE knows what they're doing, and they actually want the majority of players (that's where the $ is) to enjoy the game, they'll consider expanding their horizons beyond the point of cowering down to the feet of the ever persistent, outspoken and self-proclaimed "Best of the Best". Then we might actually see the implementation of dynamic game mechanics, that look further than the limited view of: Who has the most "bling-bling" gear, wins.

Something with more cooperative focus, where we work together as a team, and do away with the "10 commandments of purist elitism". The first of which being "Thou shall not let the NIN without a Kannagi, DO anything".

[Greatguardian]

If some group isn't letting your NIN do anything, I promise the problem is a lot bigger than lacking a Kannagi.

[Akujima]

Minimize what the other guy said, Maximize what I say

Yea but your so called perfectionism is so far past the point of being fanatical, its scary. You dump on people with complete disregard for their feelings, simply because "feelings" don't do any DPS. The gap between "good players and bad players" is just getting bigger and bigger, because of this small minority of super heroes that trot around their online avatars, forgetting they're actually playing a game sometimes (heaven forbid we allow games to be just recreational).

Economics is NOT just numbers man. People aren't going to buy a product if they don't enjoy it. People aren't going to continue playing this game, if they are to be contantly excluded by the "Mensa of FFXI" from forums such as these. Yet it's sad to think that SE might actually make the mistake of listening to you, because after all, you're the babies that cry the loudest.

Consider me the voice of those who are too fed up to bother saying anything about all you "min/max'ers"... Luckily, I still have hope that one of you out there can figure out there's more important things in life than just being "Top Dog". And the only reason you get so riled up at my posts, is because the $#!% I spew, strikes a chord so deep down inside, that it rattles the foundation of your most cherished beliefs.

[Greatguardian]

My god it's almost like he's attacking a made up person with beliefs that he has dictated for him in order to make it vulnerable to his crap.

I think I've heard of something like this before.

Oh yeah. It's a strawman.

I've said a dozen times that there is a huge difference between being "The best" and being half decent and understanding the basics of the game. I've said a dozen times that there's absolutely nothing wrong with dicking around on for-fun combos as long as it's not negatively impacting someone else's game experience directly.

You'd know that if you bothered to read a single post anyone ever made against you.

[Akujima]

Well I have a pretty good understand of how YOUR game functions: Get good gear. Be the best.

As far as understanding the basics? I've played XI since NA release man, with a few short breaks here and there, so you figure it out. Just because I don't speak in binary code with you, doesn't mean that I don't know about "The haste cap" and whatever else you're so worried about me understanding.

The only reason I've stopped playing, is because FF transformed from being a fun challenging game, into being: Compete over getting mediocre gear. Fight with each other about "Who is the best".

[wish12oz]

As far as understanding the basics? I've played XI since NA release man, with a few short breaks here and there, so you figure it out. Just because I don't speak in binary code with you, doesn't mean that I don't know about "The haste cap" and whatever else you're so worried about me understanding.

Except every FF game functions differently........ and you obviously have no understanding of game mechanics because you never say anything relating to actually knowing them.

The only reason I've stopped playing, is because FF transformed from being a fun challenging game, into being: Compete over getting mediocre gear. Fight with each other about "Who is the best".

You perfectly described the old Kings/HNM/sky scene, not the current abyssea scene, and used it as an excuse for quitting. End game is better now, not worse, and everyone can succeed at it, not 1 person a week.

[Greatguardian]

Well I have a pretty good understand of how YOUR game functions: Get good gear. Be the best.

As far as understanding the basics? I've played XI since NA release man, with a few short breaks here and there, so you figure it out. Just because I don't speak in binary code with you, doesn't mean that I don't know about "The haste cap" and whatever else you're so worried about me understanding.

The only reason I've stopped playing, is because FF transformed from being a fun challenging game, into being: Compete over getting mediocre gear. Fight with each other about "Who is the best".

I've noticed that, more often than not, players who use how long they've played as a testament to how well they understand the game actually understand it the least.

It doesn't matter if someone's played for 10 days or 10 years, with 20 level 10 jobs or 20 level 90s. Understanding mechanics is understanding mechanics. No one's going to just take your word for it that you understand anything about the game when your posts seem to indicate otherwise.