Barspells

[Bubeeky]

yea, 200 is rediculous...especially since I've seen amazing results from my barelement spells at their current levels...I'm not worried about those though...what bothers me is that I DO stack bar elements and barstatuses, and the barstatuses do nothing worthwhile because I'm called upon to cure the status (and rightly so) before the barstatus can do anything...I can't remember where I first saw it, but I'd like to see the barstatus spells physically block a status once or twice or something...you know, physically bar the status like I'd assume a barstatus should work.

[Jamesruglia]

A stronger effect to Bar-status spells would be nice... For what it's worth on Enlight and Endark though, I like their Pld/Drk exclusivity; it makes the spells slightly more intereresting, as well as serving to exemplify their themes. Besides, Red Mages alright get Eneverythingelse-it makes them the "multi-elemental" enspellers, while the light and dark knights serve as the exclusive light and dark specialists.

[Merton9999]

A stronger effect to Bar-status spells would be nice... For what it's worth on Enlight and Endark though, I like their Pld/Drk exclusivity; it makes the spells slightly more intereresting, as well as serving to exemplify their themes. Besides, Red Mages alright get Eneverythingelse-it makes them the "multi-elemental" enspellers, while the light and dark knights serve as the exclusive light and dark specialists.

Part of me agrees with you but then I think of how absolutely ridiculous it would be for PLD to get Dark Threnody and Aurorastorm and DRK to get Light Threnody and Voidstorm. Just as PLD and DRK are specialists in light and dark elements, RDM are special for their enspells like BRD and SCH are special for their songs and storms. It just seemed like one of so many slaps in RDM faces these past 15 levels. If they do the same with light and dark barspells I'll be ticked.

[Aequis]

Barthundra is essentially "Barstunra" and it works against physical types of stun too. For example, if you cast Barthundra/Barthunder and are hit by the Yagudo TP move Sweep (AoE dmg and Stun effect), you have a greater chance of resisting the effect or the stun effect not lasting as long. I can even see it working as DRG/WHM in Campaign.

All physical moves with added effects (Delta Thrust, Violent Flourish, Sweep, Frypan etc.) work with and factor in magical resistance to decide whether or not the effect will process.

SE really don't have a reason for not adding dark and light resistance spells to WHM and RDM, same reason they never had a reason to hold back Enlight and Endark until recently. I still don't agree with those two spells being given to PLD and DRK respectively, but we really do need light and dark resistance spells as WHM and RDM.

[Merton9999]

Barthundra is essentially "Barstunra" and it works against physical types of stun too. For example, if you cast Barthundra/Barthunder and are hit by the Yagudo TP move Sweep (AoE dmg and Stun effect), you have a greater chance of resisting the effect or the stun effect not lasting as long. I can even see it working as DRG/WHM in Campaign.

Yep, always loved Barthunder for this reason alone on Yagudo Campaign. Same with Barblizzard for that Vunkerl NM that does Bindga. It misses me 95% with Barblizzard on.

This is another reason I want Barnocta - to boost sleep resist. I can't think of a status that Barlumina would be useful against, though. Still, for completeness, the looks, and a few Banish/Holy casting mobs.

[Yukichibi]

It would be great if they were not self targeting spells, but party targeting spells.
Having to move in the "danger zone" to put this life saver spell, you lose your focus on cure, and you can die as well.
Well i don't know if it's good that being one of the last difficulty in battle in the game, or if it will be better if we can cast them from afar.

[Bubeeky]

I'm not complaining about the bar elementals lol I said that...I'm complaining about the bar status spells...they don't actually help resist statuses enough

[Fetus]

I'm not complaining about the bar elementals lol I said that...I'm complaining about the bar status spells...they don't actually help resist statuses enough

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, if you want more effect from your Bar-status spell, try to match it with a hefty amount of similar elemental resistance.

[Aleste]

From my understanding (and messing around) the difference is that

the bar-element spell will help reduce the chance of the ailment landing on you, and subsequently on a partial resist, the overall duration of infliction. Whereas

the bar-ailment spells reduce the potency and duration of the effect.

Ironically, it always seems better to keep up the appropriate bar-element rather than the bar-ailment as most harmful effects are quickly and more easily -na'd off in the first place.

The only useful ones (for arguments sake) are barpetra and barsleepra... and even then sublimation counteracts the latter.

The problem is that the bar-ailment spells don't get much use because we often have to end up within range for a decent-ish casting time for a spell whose effects are below marginal.

A simple fix would be to have it work akin to aquaveil and prevent the specified ailment a number of times. Once, maybe twice (with gear).... or to have it nullify that specific ailment off a NM's aura effect. Aura of poison? Barpoisonra and negate that poison aura. Obviously if a NM has multiple auras, it would only negate that partial ailment.

[Bubeeky]

From my understanding (and messing around) the difference is that

the bar-element spell will help reduce the chance of the ailment landing on you, and subsequently on a partial resist, the overall duration of infliction. Whereas

the bar-ailment spells reduce the potency and duration of the effect.

Ironically, it always seems better to keep up the appropriate bar-element rather than the bar-ailment as most harmful effects are quickly and more easily -na'd off in the first place.

The only useful ones (for arguments sake) are barpetra and barsleepra... and even then sublimation counteracts the latter.

The problem is that the bar-ailment spells don't get much use because we often have to end up within range for a decent-ish casting time for a spell whose effects are below marginal.

A simple fix would be to have it work akin to aquaveil and prevent the specified ailment a number of times. Once, maybe twice (with gear).... or to have it nullify that specific ailment off a NM's aura effect. Aura of poison? Barpoisonra and negate that poison aura. Obviously if a NM has multiple auras, it would only negate that partial ailment.

Ty Aleste for wording it better than I could apparantly lol