lolRelic Weapon? SE what have you done?

[Sama]

"Bottom of the barrel"? Which one, the elitist barrel?

Seriously, dude, barring Empyrean Weapons (which are, indeed, a problem), you'll still be hard-pressed to find a weapon that performs on-par with a Relic Weapon in terms of raw damage output (and odds are it's a multi-hit weapon in a very specific situation). Perhaps you (among certain other people) are being just a little overly dramatic?

Tamarsamar the WS is the real problem. It's very upsetting for every relic owner, especially font line job, seeing the crazy dmg gap between relic and emp. In terms of raw dmg I agree with you but WS was the main point for relic.

[Tamarsamar]

Tamarsamar the WS is the real problem. It's very upsetting for every relic owner, especially font line job, seeing the crazy dmg gap between relic and emp. In terms of raw dmg I agree with you but WS was the main point for relic.

Apologies for coming off uninformed here, but are people seriously out-performing Relics with equally-leveled Walk of Echoes Empyrean Weapon Skill weapons (say, level 90 Excalibur vs. Badelaire +2)? If so, then your point holds water.

[Futan]

Apologies for coming off uninformed here, but are people seriously out-performing Relics with equally-leveled Walk of Echoes Empyrean Weapon Skill weapons (say, level 90 Excalibur vs. Badelaire +2)? If so, then your point holds water.

I know that's the case for Spharai vs Revenant Fists +2. If I remember correctly, RF+2 is somewhere like 5-10% better.

Edit: Just checked on Kinematic's spreadsheet, using the default gear/atmas(RR,GH,Apoc) of the spreadsheet and only changing WS and weapon, level 90 Spharai score 269.641 while Revenant Fists +2 score 297.302. Which is about 10.3% better. And to throw it all out there, the 90 Verethagna are 321.868, the 85 Verethagna are 308.525, and Revenant Fists +1 are 289.707.

[Andevom]

People just don't want other people having stuff they have. It's the name of the game with MMORPGs. The thought of someone getting some easily that you worked hard for annoys you. But it shouldn't undermine your past efforts.

It's like saying you don't approve of people delivering mail by plane, because there were so many hard working horseback mail carriers. The result is the same, it's the journey that's different. Take that with you and welcome the newcomers.

[Sama]

Apologies for coming off uninformed here, but are people seriously out-performing Relics with equally-leveled Walk of Echoes Empyrean Weapon Skill weapons (say, level 90 Excalibur vs. Badelaire +2)? If so, then your point holds water.

Both Aby and WoE Emp Wpn ws beats relic ws in any ways.

[Unctgtg]

Both Aby and WoE Emp Wpn ws beats relic ws in any ways.

By quite a few thousand