lolRelic Weapon? SE what have you done?

[Runespider]

My dyna shell has two relic holders, a mandau and an apocalypse, the drk has magian upgraded apocalypse that still out does anything I've seen empyreans turn out to be. So honestly I dont see that the OP really has much to complain about. When a relic drk can casually throw out a 3k cataclysm without soul eater outside abyssea, That's a pretty damn powerful weapon.

Apoc was never that great and now it's even worse compared to what else is out there, it's one claim to fame is also gone. Since it's aftermath is +10 gear haste and haste is so easy to cap even that is out the window.

Catastophe was never a good WS, other WS do far more damage. I've seen plenty of apocs in action and they are far from impressive.

[Kitheren]

Apoc was never that great and now it's even worse compared to what else is out there, it's one claim to fame is also gone. Since it's aftermath is +10 gear haste and haste is so easy to cap even that is out the window.

Catastophe was never a good WS, other WS do far more damage. I've seen plenty of apocs in action and they are far from impressive.

Catastrophe does awful damage, even in Abyssea. And it's miss rate is outrageous. But it has never been about the damage for Catastrophe. It's been about the haste and the HP recovery. If you take it solely for the DMG, you will be disappointed for sure.

[Rambus]

Catastrophe does awful damage, even in Abyssea. And it's miss rate is outrageous. But it has never been about the damage for Catastrophe. It's been about the haste and the HP recovery. If you take it solely for the DMG, you will be disappointed for sure.

95=/=100%

what do you mean by miss rate is outrageous?
all 1 hit ws suffer from that

unless the ws is purely magic ( sam ws have thier own rules)

[Kitheren]

95=/=100%

what do you mean by miss rate is outrageous?
all 1 hit ws suffer from that

unless the ws is purely magic ( sam ws have thier own rules)

My husband has Apocalypse at 85. I see Catastrophe miss a lot, even with loads of accuracy gear, food and atmas. That's all I'm saying. More so than say Freezebite, for example. As often as I have seen THAT weapon skill with Abyssea out. I'm just basing this off of what I have personally seen as well as I have gathered from other Apocalypse users.

[Rambus]

My husband has Apocalypse at 85. I see Catastrophe miss a lot, even with loads of accuracy gear, food and atmas. That's all I'm saying. More so than say Freezebite, for example. As often as I have seen THAT weapon skill with Abyssea out. I'm just basing this off of what I have personally seen as well as I have gathered from other Apocalypse users.

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95=/=100%

what do you mean by miss rate is outrageous?
all 1 hit ws suffer from that

unless the ws is purely magic ( sam ws have thier own rules)

its a one hit ws, you can be on level 1 mobs and miss 5 out of 100 ws on average.

RNG, SAM are all one hit ws jobs, of couse if your used to seeing something like guilotine you think one hit ws misses a lot.

on a 4 hit ws your chances of missing all 4 on cap acc is 0.000625% then if you are using double attack gear on top of that or /sam for zanshin the chance of missing all 4 is even lower then that, but even with double attack and zanshin on a 1 hit ws still has a high chnace to miss compared to a 4 hit ws.

when you consider double attack and zanshin it might be 3% ish chance of miss vs 0.000000625% with a 4 hit ws (remember this is the chance of missing all 4 hit ws on a 4 hit ws, not just one or 2 hits). so yeah you are going to see a 1 hit ws miss a lot more then any form of ws that has more then one hit

pretty sure Freezebite is pure elemental so it cant miss (some ele ws can miss like sam ele ws, but those also are able to work with sneak attack so ws like that are more hybird types).

sounds like hes using too much acc because of the cap acc concept, should let up on that btw.

Change happens, I don't see a problem with the current plans for the weapons. Sure people spent time and stuff getting the relics and upgrading them, but why aren't SE allowed to put something better in their game? It's like saying "I think we should go back to steam power because electricity makes my old steam engine look crap."

propblem with this is that game =/= RL

there is no reason why a weapon thats easier to get outdoes weapons that are harder to get, esp when you are talking about weapons that can take years of investment vs 1 to 2 weeks.

I do not difine progress in a game that lets new weapons that takes 1-2 weaks to do that are new outdo weapons that can take years.

The only reason people like you want emp weapons to outdo relics is to laugh and show up relic users which is not right. I have no problem with allowing weapons with the concept of "poor's man relic" but they should not be outdoing them.

[Laotzu]

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propblem with this is that game =/= RL

there is no reason why a weapon thats easier to get outdoes weapons that are harder to get, esp when you are talking about weapons that can take years of investment vs 1 to 2 weeks.

I do not difine progress in a game that lets new weapons that takes 1-2 weaks to do that are new outdo weapons that can take years.

The only reason people like you want emp weapons to outdo relics is to laugh and show up relic users which is not right. I have no problem with allowing weapons with the concept of "poor's man relic" but they should not be outdoing them.

People like me don't want to laugh at relic weapon holders, some (not all) of them worked their asses off for the gear they got and I have much respect for that. My personal opinion is, though, that with progress comes new, better things like Emp. Weapons, AF3 and the new gear that may come later, it's all part of the game.

The relic weapons were added years ago, the system was conceived at a time when the game was still pretty young and the time investment was, to SE at the time, adequate. The game has shifted to be more casual-friendly and this is reflected in the way newer weapons are obtained.

Also about the game =/= rl crap... I used the steam vs Electricity comment as an example of how it sounded to me, I don't really care whether the game is not real life or vice versa, stupidity is same anywhere.