Pet Shop

[SNK]

@SNK
A lot of time and money? for cooking? You sure? I got my cooking to 60 in 2 days and actually made 100k off of it. I really dont see that as "a lot of time and money." I dont really see how you can compare a cook to a goldsmith considering one of them takes no time at all and actually ends up profiting you while u lvl it and the other takes months and costs millions to lvl.

There is no difference at all. All I see is bitching about the prices of Jug Pets on the AH. So what if they're too high for you. Don't like it? Go and farm your own mats instead of trying to bitch that you're paying too much for a convience.

You are ignoring the facts i have presented. Instead you focus on attacking the opinions i have stated as well as insulting me.

The only fact which is concrete is that you are lazy. That's it.

But hey, in the end its the dev team im talking to and not you. I think they will respond to clear and concise suggestions over petty insults and selfish intentions.

And the Dev team doesn't make an effort to listen to stupid suggestions. Seriously think before you post.

[Superchicken]

as SNK has stated, i doubt dev team would even bother here, cause again you are asking them to do something to help you cause you don't want to spend the time it takes to really get what you need. Yes farming takes time, and yes we would all rather be out doing something else than farming mats, but like i've said thats part of the game. Have you not ever done salvage before the increase drop rates, where numerous runs would occur and you never saw drops, or camped HNM's for hours to only not get claim. I mean really think about what you are asking, its like saying "hey dev team, i do salvage every night and rarely see a 35 gear drop, you should make an NPC sell it" (of course i'm just using salvage to make a point cause really who does salvage anymore), or hey SE i camp fafhogg, turtle, KB every day for 3 hours and never get claim so make those drings, ridills, abjurations buyable from npc (again kings as just an exampel as most king gear is blah except that D ring, these days). Do you see the point SNK and are trying to make here?

Just need to realize this game is a time sink its how SE makes their money. Think about it, make a game where it takes countless hours to get stuff done keeps people playing longer which means we get more monthly payments. See what i'm getting at? If you can't see this and need an MMO where stuff gets done faster i hear WoW is pretty easy to do anything but i've also heard its full of whiny kids, but what game isn't right? But i'm not attacking you here just trying to get you to see what you are really asking SE to do and apply it across the board and just not to your situation that helps you or a few others but harms others in the same process.

[Gotterdammerung]

@SNK If all you see is "bitching about the prices of jugs on the AH" then you obviously havent read my posts. Stop skim reading and skipping pages and actually get caught up on the conversation before you post. Maybe then you can at least make an attempt at accuracy when you choose to slander.

@Superchicken,
Ive said before, I brought up the whole crafting farming vs high priced AH side of this argument in order to represent all categories of people who would want a pet shop.

You keep focusing on this aspect of the discussion. I don't craft because it is A. boring B. not good use of my time.
In the time it takes me to farm mats and cook i can instead solo 4-5 zone bosses for mercenary work and make enough gil to support my pet supplies for the next few months. (@SNK if making more money than you in a shorter amount of time means im lazy then i guess so be it.)

Either way this portion of the discussion is opinion and boils down to "i dont like being forced to either do something i hate or pay all my money just to be able to use my basic class abilities in a GAME thats meant to be for recreation" Versus "I believe in crafting, i feel good being self sufficient and i also enjoy making money of people who are either too lazy to do the dirty work for themselves or people who are too rich to care."


But you still havent answered my question.

Why is it fair for some jobs to have their supplies sold from NPC stores at reasonable prices, and other jobs to be subjected to Price gouging, understocked AH's, and/or hours of busy work?

And i think this part of my argument probably has been ignored for pages simply because it IS NOT fair. Its much easier to just ignore this part and attack the opinion portion of my suggestion.

Here is another point, Pet shops alredy exist. They have just fallen behind and need to be updated. For a LONG time beastmasters had been able to rely on a cheap source of quality jug pets via Funguar familiars from khazam. I mean endgame didnt always mean 90 or even 75 for that matter. There was a time where beastmasters could get use out of NPC pet stores. Was it lazy then? Did it ruin crafting then? No. It merely gave us a reliable way to combat the understocked AH.

P.S. as for ur comment about rangers having to craft or purchase arrows from the AH, they are free to make the same arguments im making on the ranger suggestion page. Saying ranger has to put up with it too, doesnt prove anything. It just points out one more class that is being treated unfairly. Hell if they dont want to add a pet shop then remove all consumables for all jobs from all NPCs. at least then it would be fair and everyone would get screwed.

[Superchicken]

your use of the word fair is an issue. Life's not fair, yes i pulled that card. And you talk about other pet jobs can buy their supplies from vendors. Yes pup can buy their oil from vendor, yes they can buy some of those attachements and yes they are a one time use. But go look at the the price on the ah it cost for those High End attachments that come from Ashu Talif. Dont know about your server but on my server you are talking 300,000 upwards to 1 mil for one attachment that at times were even higher priced than that.

You say you can make more than enough gil farming NM's to supply your needs well throw some of that money at some cooks to keep you in supply. If you can't get a cook willing to be your supplier or meet your demands then either make your own etc. If you don't want to do that then you deal with it. I know my server is always in stock of jugs and foods and if not a cook sees it quickly and gets more on the ah. Just remember if you aint doing the farming for the mats someone is and you are gonna pay for it. Asking SE to bring about the pet store because your server dont meet your demands on terms of the crafters isn't what you like to call FAIR. When dipper yuly hit the game they were expensive cause of the chigoe mat. So guess what, the pain that was to farm reflected its high price, and you better believe i took advantage of it.

Thats the beauty of crafting supply and demand economics at its best. You want something and the supply is low you gonna pay for it. Asking SE to bail you out of your dilema because your server cant meet your needs is going too far. Now you want to ask for say one or maybe even two of the higher level jug pets to be bought from an NPC i may give you that but they shouldnt be the two best jugs around. I'd give you two mediocre pets buyable from NPC. And the best pet food from an NPC no way. Eta would never make it to an NPC imo and i'd be hesitant to offer Zeta from one as well.

Ever job has their pros and cons, thats how the game works. PUPs can get a lot of their lower attachments and oils from NPC. Good for pup. But like i said those big attachments from Ashu talif gonna cost you if you dont want to hunt them yourself. Buts lets also remember this was their when 75 was the cap. Nothings changed for pup, no new attachments no new oils so using that job is kind of irrelevant because if their were new attachments who's to say how they would be attained. Now when 75 was the cap funguar and CC were the primary all around pets for those with gil limitations as they were priced reasonable and funguar was easy to get from NPC, but guess what if you wanted Chopseuy, Amigo, Lars, etc you were gonna pay more. Now he case with BST is they got new pets with the level increase. And same holds true here. There are pets that are cheap and always stocked on the ah here. If you want the more prominant pets that bring a little more to the table you gonna pay for it, and yes if theres a crap mat in the mix theres a chance you wont see it on ah that much cause no one wants to farm it, and if they do farm it you gonna see it in the price.

Your problem seems to be with your server though in supplying your demands and asking SE to fix that with a pet store is not the answer in my opinion and i hope you can see this as well. As i have before you can use any situation here, back in the day Haubergeons, SH's, Hauberks, etc were main gear pieces for dd's. And they were pricey and not always available, so would asking SE to have an NPC to supply this be the solution? That's the easy way out and the spoonfed way to solve it.

My suggestion has been stated and is simple. Take matters into your own hands. YOu say you got gil and plenty of it well make an inticing offer to a cook to go farm what you want and make it for you. If the price is right i'm sure you will find someone to do it. Look at the ah sales talk to the person make the majority of the sales, tell them to contact you before they put items on ah, and you'll even pay x amount more than the ah price. And i'll say it again, go farm a lot of mats and have a cook stock you up. If you can't spare one day out of your ffxi time to farm up mats to keep yourself in supply then i don't know what to tell you other than you must not care too much about those items you want to use but can't get ahold of and are not making any effort on your own and simply asking SE to have an NPC supply you.

Saying any job is being treated unfairly because X job get this and X job gets that is kind of a moot point. If you play BST you know what comes with it. Theres a chance your jugs wont be on the ah, theres a chance your pet food wont be on the ah, etc. If you play war and you want a versahauberk theres a chance there wont be any on the ah, if you play BLM theres a chance your spell you want wont be on the ah, if you play any dd job and want x weapon off the ah theres a chance it wont be there. Here's one for the mix, i play ninja and the best shuriken are never on the ah and come from ashu talif where only 1 drops. This is unfair, i should be able to buy from an NPC. I'm hoping you are seeing the point here. Asking anyone who plays any job and they can give you at least one thing thats so called UNFAIR about it and maybe it is, but when you state that the AH does not supply you with your demands of an item and its unfair so an NPC should sell it, thats kind of ludicris to me. Its what makes a BST a BST in a way. Back in the 75 days you didnt see every BST running around with Amigos and Chopseuys and Lars because they were expsensive and the HQ rate on crafting the Chops and Lars were not too high. So if you saw a BST using those you were in aw and looked at that pet then looked at your poor CourierCarrie and just went on about your way. "I still love you Carrie its ok, lets go kill some more stuff!" The times havent changed. The sought after pets always gonna be in demand and usually the supply doesnt meet it, thats the breaks. That's when you look at the suggestions i have stated to solve your problem, asking SE to solve it with an NPC not plausible if you ask me.

Good luck and happy BSTing

this is your post

Please consider a well-stocked NPC pet shop. Every other job with expensive consumables now has a NPC that sells their tools. This helps to regulate the price from greedy crafters and also helps to make sure a player is never screwed due to low stock. Right now i spend insane amounts of gil weekly to stay stocked. And sometimes i go to restock and theres none for sale. That is terribly disruptive for me, especially if it happens on my petshell event night.

and not to beat the nail over the head again you asking for a shop because your servers crafters can't keep you in supply. Again this can be applied across the board to anything ahable. "Hey SE my favorite foods are sole sushi and curry buns, but the ah never has them instock, so make a shop where i can buy them." Again you like to use the word FAIR, and again i say is it fair to the crafters to have everything they make money off of available from NPC, or lets go further and turn it around to items that arent craftable. "Hey SE i think the price of the multi use ninja tools over available from NPC is too high, and should be craftable so that the price will come down due to crafters having to sell lower than the NPC to have anyone actually buy them." Does that sound reasonable? I dont think so.

[Gotterdammerung]

By saying "life's not fair" you admit that the current situation is unfair. If its unfair then why shouldnt we strive to fix it.

P.S. again this topic is in regards to Consumable items that fuel JOB ABILITIES. This means it has nothing to do with armor, spells, attachments, food. All of these things are one time purchases and are completely unrelated to the topic. I by no means ever suggested that SE make everything NPCable. I do however believe in a reliable source for items required to fuel job abilites.

[Superchicken]

by saying lifes not fair doesn't mean i think your situation is unfair at all. I think your situation is you being upset that the ah at times does not have what you want cause you said this yourself as why you want a pet shop. You think its unfair, You want a npc shop, because your server doesn't get your ah stocked on what you need.

please read your statment of again

P.S. again this topic is in regards to Consumable items that fuel JOB ABILITIES. This means it has nothing to do with armor, spells, attachments, food. All of these things are one time purchases and are completely unrelated to the topic. I by no means ever suggested that SE make everything NPCable. I do however believe in a reliable source for items required to fuel job abilites.

Since when is food a one time purchase? That would be so great that we could buy one sushi one curry bun one any kind of food on the ah and only have to use it once. So i think you made a mistake in saying this in which the comparison is perfectly legit. The fact that food doesnt go with a job ability like call beast or reward has no relevance in your argument, its consumable that IS NOT a one time use. So again my argument that "hey SE my server never has Red Curry Buns on the ah, so give me an NPC that sells them is perfectly legit and comparable to yours of having a pet shop to sell the jugs and pet food that your AH cant provide you." I don't see how you can't see this. So you want to throw armor and stuff out of the equation because its not consumable fine, doesn't really matter, the concept is still the same. Your statement of "the ah dont have it in stock, i need it, its my LS event day and i need it now, so give me an NPC to buy it from" still applies. How can you think otherwise. But anyway take the armor and what not out of the question and i'll stick with my food argument. It's a consumable used more than once, it's crafted, and possibly not always on AH when you want it. So lets make a NPC food shop that carries all the food items possible. Yes there are NPCs that sell some food items but not Red Curry Buns and that's what i want so give me an NPC that sells them! Not gonna happen and you know why its to keep things balanced in game.

Now i said before ok so maybe we give you a lvl 90 jug thats buyable from an NPC, but giving you all jugs all pet foods from an NPC no way. This is exactly how food works. Want some decent dd food yeah you can go grab some kabobs or something off the npc, hey its not the best but its better than nothing. You want some curry buns, sushi, etc. and none on the ah, better make friends with a cook / fisherman that can supply you with it, go without it, or find some way to get it. Simply asking SE to give you an NPC is the spoonfed / easy way out. Cooking is craft and that is based solely on CONSUMABLES and you want CONSUMABLES that a BST uses to be able to be obtained from an NPC, so basically BST, call beast, reward, or not you are basically saying lets cut cooking out of the crafts altogether. So i've comprised with you, lets give you some medicore lvl 90 jug pet you can buy from an NPC cause yes lvl 75 cap we could use those funguars taht were actually pretty good with the merits and monster gloves to raise the level cap of the jug. So really we dont even need to give you a lvl 90 jug, well give you one of the old lvl 80-85 jugs since you can bring your pet up with merits and gear, but thats probably not fair either right? cause then SE is making you have to have merits and such to raise that jug up above is static cap and you shouldnt have to have merits to do that it should just cap at your level!

Again your problem lies in your servers economy and crafter base, not the game and whats offered already. Ask SE to fix a bug or enhance the BST job with some new ability or job trait, dont ask them to give you something because the players on yoru server are not stocking your AH with what you want. Come over to my server bro i'll make any jug you bring me mats for, but of course i charge for my services as leveling my craft wasnt free or fun for me and i did it to make gil and supply myself not supply others who simply bring me mats and not have to pay a little something in return. But i guess thats not fair because it requires you to spend some time farming mats that you rather use doing mercenary work to FILL your pockets with gil. Well i rather be making jugs to sell to people like you to fill my pockets cause guess what thats one of my ways i make gil. I know its unfair that myself and other cooks control the price on jug pets and pet food so hey lets give you your Pet Shop and take away from the crafters. Sounds reasonable to me! Like i said cooking is a craft based on CONSUMABLES so lets just take it out of the game and make it all buyable from an npc! You dont take your pants to a tailor to get hemmed and walk out after he hems your pants without paying him for his service. You don't go to work on a daily basis for free, you want that pay check at the end of the week or whenever you get paid.

[Guardian]

So, you can craft the stuff you need, but you choose not to because it's not worth your time... but buying them from the AH is evil, because of "price monopoly".

Yeah, you are lazy.


Look, I don't want to butt heads with a fellow beastmaster of a matter of opinions regarding how we choose to play this game. I'll just end this back and forth with you by saying, this "pet shop" idea will never happen. Ever. Never. Jugs will still need to be crafted, you will still need to craft them, buy them... whatever. And those that craft will profit from it.

Um.. yeah. I'd just like to add the fact that I can farm up -everything- (harvesting included) for all the pets/food I use, and have it all crafted in under 3 hours, and have said items for several days, or even weeks to come. Coming from a long time RNG, NIN, and BST main, if that's too costly or time intensive for you, sorry. You picked the wrong job. Just sayin'.

[Guardian]

you cant compare Automaton attachments to pet food or jugs. They are 2 different things.
This topic is about "consumable items" these are items that fuel job abilities and must be replenished.
Spell scrolls, Automaton attachments, Blue spells. These are all things that you obtain once. They are not consumable items and therefore have no bearing on this topic.

Your entire argument against this idea can be boiled down into one statement.

"No, I am against this idea as i currently exploit the current system to make gil for myself."

And personally, i am fine with your stance against this idea. That is your 2 cents. You like lining your pockets with gil and why wouldnt you.

I just dont see that as a good reason to stand in the way of fairness and change. And that is my 2 cents. And my reason for starting this topic.

Yeah, actually the oils are consumable. I noticed you left that part out.

[Guardian]

@SNK If all you see is "bitching about the prices of jugs on the AH" then you obviously havent read my posts. Stop skim reading and skipping pages and actually get caught up on the conversation before you post. Maybe then you can at least make an attempt at accuracy when you choose to slander.

@Superchicken,
Ive said before, I brought up the whole crafting farming vs high priced AH side of this argument in order to represent all categories of people who would want a pet shop.

You keep focusing on this aspect of the discussion. I don't craft because it is A. boring B. not good use of my time.
In the time it takes me to farm mats and cook i can instead solo 4-5 zone bosses for mercenary work and make enough gil to support my pet supplies for the next few months. (@SNK if making more money than you in a shorter amount of time means im lazy then i guess so be it.)

Either way this portion of the discussion is opinion and boils down to "i dont like being forced to either do something i hate or pay all my money just to be able to use my basic class abilities in a GAME thats meant to be for recreation" Versus "I believe in crafting, i feel good being self sufficient and i also enjoy making money of people who are either too lazy to do the dirty work for themselves or people who are too rich to care."


But you still havent answered my question.

Why is it fair for some jobs to have their supplies sold from NPC stores at reasonable prices, and other jobs to be subjected to Price gouging, understocked AH's, and/or hours of busy work?

And i think this part of my argument probably has been ignored for pages simply because it IS NOT fair. Its much easier to just ignore this part and attack the opinion portion of my suggestion.

Here is another point, Pet shops alredy exist. They have just fallen behind and need to be updated. For a LONG time beastmasters had been able to rely on a cheap source of quality jug pets via Funguar familiars from khazam. I mean endgame didnt always mean 90 or even 75 for that matter. There was a time where beastmasters could get use out of NPC pet stores. Was it lazy then? Did it ruin crafting then? No. It merely gave us a reliable way to combat the understocked AH.

P.S. as for ur comment about rangers having to craft or purchase arrows from the AH, they are free to make the same arguments im making on the ranger suggestion page. Saying ranger has to put up with it too, doesnt prove anything. It just points out one more class that is being treated unfairly. Hell if they dont want to add a pet shop then remove all consumables for all jobs from all NPCs. at least then it would be fair and everyone would get screwed.

Christ, man. Do you not know what a MMO is? The whole thing is meant to be -by- the players -for- the players! If you don't want to craft/farm yourself, then don't! If we had a NPC that sold everything for every job, why the HELL would we have a GD AH?! Shesh...

[Superchicken]

Um.. yeah. I'd just like to add the fact that I can farm up -everything- (harvesting included) for all the pets/food I use, and have it all crafted in under 3 hours, and have said items for several days, or even weeks to come. Coming from a long time RNG, NIN, and BST main, if that's too costly or time intensive for you, sorry. You picked the wrong job. Just sayin'.

exactly. I level'd BST so know what else i did i leveled cooking so i dont have to rely on the ah to supply me. I knew i'd have to farm mats for my jugs and pet food so guess what, level'd thf too for farming.

This request of the pet shop has a short answer that we've all heard before.

"The game is working as intended"