Pet Shop

[Superchicken]

the only way a pet shop would be somewhat OK is if they did what they have already done and offer only a couple jugs from NPC. For instance, the fuguarfamiliar jug sold from npc in kazham. To me that is fine, but having a shop that offers all jugpets and/or all pet food would not work, would hurt the crafters.

Lets look at pup as you state. yes you can buy the oil from npc, and yes you can buy SOME of the attachments from npc, but other attachments you either have to farm yourself from Ashu Talif fights, or go farm off Trolls etc. or you pay what people want for them on the ah.

And it seems you lean your argument now about farming supplies for pet food. Well this ain't even bad for pet food eta now since they changed the recipe to be made with Buffalo meat now. I dont now about your server buy my server always has exp parties at Bluffalo camp in Abyssea Uleg. so for those who don't want to farm on their own there is always meat on ah, and Apkallu eggs easily farmed in Abyssea Mis.

So like i said if SE wanted to throw one of the newer jugs on an NPC for sale that would be OK, but if all of BST's needs were offered from an NPC they would catch a huge earful from all the cooks, i know i would be mad if they did this. Selling pet food and jugs is a good income that many cooks take advantage of, having an npc regulate the prices on this would be fail.

[Gotterdammerung]

you cant compare Automaton attachments to pet food or jugs. They are 2 different things.
This topic is about "consumable items" these are items that fuel job abilities and must be replenished.
Spell scrolls, Automaton attachments, Blue spells. These are all things that you obtain once. They are not consumable items and therefore have no bearing on this topic.

Your entire argument against this idea can be boiled down into one statement.

"No, I am against this idea as i currently exploit the current system to make gil for myself."

And personally, i am fine with your stance against this idea. That is your 2 cents. You like lining your pockets with gil and why wouldnt you.

I just dont see that as a good reason to stand in the way of fairness and change. And that is my 2 cents. And my reason for starting this topic.

[Guardian]

you cant compare Automaton attachments to pet food or jugs. They are 2 different things.
This topic is about "consumable items" these are items that fuel job abilities and must be replenished.
Spell scrolls, Automaton attachments, Blue spells. These are all things that you obtain once. They are not consumable items and therefore have no bearing on this topic.

Your entire argument against this idea can be boiled down into one statement.

"No, I am against this idea as i currently exploit the current system to make gil for myself."

And personally, i am fine with your stance against this idea. That is your 2 cents. You like lining your pockets with gil and why wouldnt you.

I just dont see that as a good reason to stand in the way of fairness and change. And that is my 2 cents. And my reason for starting this topic.

Yeah, actually the oils are consumable. I noticed you left that part out.

[SNK]

Please consider a well-stocked NPC pet shop. Every other job with expensive consumables now has a NPC that sells their tools. This helps to regulate the price from greedy crafters and also helps to make sure a player is never screwed due to low stock. Right now i spend insane amounts of gil weekly to stay stocked. And sometimes i go to restock and theres none for sale. That is terribly disruptive for me, especially if it happens on my petshell event night.

Also, on a side note, I have always thought it would be neat to have a beastmaster AF quest line which upon completion would reward a beastmaster with a choice of a personalized pet from a list of more rare types of monsters. Ex. Kraken, opo-opo, hex eye, ect.

Because it's impossible to go out and farm materials to make your own jug pets right?

If you are a crafter then Obviously u wont like this idea. You make money of the Monopoly u hold on pet prices. Doesnt change that monopolies are bad for the economy.

This isn't a monopoly. You really should understand what that word really means before you throw it out there.

[Judge]

there are pet foods being sold from Chocobo stables. Funguarfamiliar from kazham. a few of the newer pets scattered around at other reasonable shops might not be a terrible idea. Everyone uses yuluyulyyuly sheepsheepsheepsheep. but what about monster correlations?

i would be fine to pay 2k per pet from a random NPC to make sure i had a special pet for a special NM my LS was fighting. being higher priced than a crafted stack is still acceptable when there hasnt been stack of the pet up for weeks, maybe i would like to chuck a diremite at a plantoid or something similar and there are none for sale. hours or farming for a rare use pet is a waste of time when you have short notice or run out of pets during an important timeframe. nothing to say about being lazy since majority of the pets on AH arent being crafted by anyone.

The Shop/Shops could be guild style. only a few sold each game day. and then increased price per demand. when none have been bought the price goes down. or ppl vendor their pets and drive the price down slowly because of high supply.

[SNK]

It's because people are having a hardon about Dipper is why all this major bitching is happening. It's a good pet for farming NMs or drops but I'd rather use my sheep for crap where I'm not giving a rat's ass about anything other then damage.

All I see is nothing but lazy from this guy because he's unwilling to go out and do the work most everyone else has done. And calling crafters greedy is beyond stupid. A lot of crafters sunk a lot of gil & time into leveling their crafts so they should indeed be rewarded for their time spent.

If you came about and called a Goldsmither a greedy bastard because he's charging a lot of gil for his synths then I promise you everyone would think you stupid because of it.

[Gotterdammerung]

@SNK
A lot of time and money? for cooking? You sure? I got my cooking to 60 in 2 days and actually made 100k off of it. I really dont see that as "a lot of time and money." I dont really see how you can compare a cook to a goldsmith considering one of them takes no time at all and actually ends up profiting you while u lvl it and the other takes months and costs millions to lvl.

You are ignoring the facts i have presented. Instead you focus on attacking the opinions i have stated as well as insulting me.

But hey, in the end its the dev team im talking to and not you. I think they will respond to clear and concise suggestions over petty insults and selfish intentions.

[Superchicken]

you got your cooking to 60 in two days grats, but we are talking about the 100+ cookers here. And of course i want to make gil off my craft its why i spent gil/time/effort leveling it. Your logic would go along with saying the same like hey lets put all weapons and armor in shops too because i can't find x armor cause none are up on the ah so i should be able to buy from npc. You really need to think about what you are asking here. Is it fair to the crafters to have their items they make to supply themselves with gil all buyable from npcs? i think not. I'm a main ranger and have to buy my arrows off ah, you don't hear me saying that i should be able to buy my arrows from npc's. Its part of the game bro. So either make your own stuff, if you can't farm your own mats (regardless of how time consumable it is, i mean think about it, all FFXI is a time sink no matter what you do so by now should be use to it), find someone who can craft for you (and if its someone you find through shouting i hope you tip them), or find another job to play. This game is coming to the point where everyone wants everything so easy (want easy there's always WoW). the "hey SE i can't do this or this takes too much time, so you should make it easier for me" complaints are becoming more and more.

So yes would i be upset if npcs sold my stuff i craft of course. Does it make me rich selling jugs and food no, but it does keep my daily expenses of arrows ninja tools etc more at bay. Like I said, when a ranger complains about arrow prices or availability on the ah the common response is "level woodworking and make your own" same goes here. What your asking is for SE to tailor to you because you don't like the conditions set but you can solve the problem yourself your just not willing to because it takes time to do and takes you away from the other things you'd rather be doing in game.

"I wish my bills paid themselves, but guess what I have to go to work to make money so i can pay my bills."

I'm not trying to sound like a whatever you want to call me, but think about what you are asking SE to do to help YOU, and then think about who suffers from this. You said i don't want this cause it will hurt my pocket as a crafter but you are asking SE to do something cause right now it would hurt YOUR way the time you spend in game. Calling me selfish in a way seems what you are asking is the same thing. Pot calling the kettle black here.


Oh and as i say i play ranger alot an arrows were expensive so know what i did, i leveled woodworking on a mule so i can support my job. When the level increases came and the new antlion arrows and ruszor arrows came into the game I didnt want to mess with crafting them myself so guess what i did, i found a buddy who can make them so i farm mats he makes. If i don't feel like farming i deal with ah prices, if none on ah i deal with not having them. It's life, everything can't be handed to us in a way that better suits us.

[SNK]

@SNK
A lot of time and money? for cooking? You sure? I got my cooking to 60 in 2 days and actually made 100k off of it. I really dont see that as "a lot of time and money." I dont really see how you can compare a cook to a goldsmith considering one of them takes no time at all and actually ends up profiting you while u lvl it and the other takes months and costs millions to lvl.

There is no difference at all. All I see is bitching about the prices of Jug Pets on the AH. So what if they're too high for you. Don't like it? Go and farm your own mats instead of trying to bitch that you're paying too much for a convience.

You are ignoring the facts i have presented. Instead you focus on attacking the opinions i have stated as well as insulting me.

The only fact which is concrete is that you are lazy. That's it.

But hey, in the end its the dev team im talking to and not you. I think they will respond to clear and concise suggestions over petty insults and selfish intentions.

And the Dev team doesn't make an effort to listen to stupid suggestions. Seriously think before you post.

[Superchicken]

as SNK has stated, i doubt dev team would even bother here, cause again you are asking them to do something to help you cause you don't want to spend the time it takes to really get what you need. Yes farming takes time, and yes we would all rather be out doing something else than farming mats, but like i've said thats part of the game. Have you not ever done salvage before the increase drop rates, where numerous runs would occur and you never saw drops, or camped HNM's for hours to only not get claim. I mean really think about what you are asking, its like saying "hey dev team, i do salvage every night and rarely see a 35 gear drop, you should make an NPC sell it" (of course i'm just using salvage to make a point cause really who does salvage anymore), or hey SE i camp fafhogg, turtle, KB every day for 3 hours and never get claim so make those drings, ridills, abjurations buyable from npc (again kings as just an exampel as most king gear is blah except that D ring, these days). Do you see the point SNK and are trying to make here?

Just need to realize this game is a time sink its how SE makes their money. Think about it, make a game where it takes countless hours to get stuff done keeps people playing longer which means we get more monthly payments. See what i'm getting at? If you can't see this and need an MMO where stuff gets done faster i hear WoW is pretty easy to do anything but i've also heard its full of whiny kids, but what game isn't right? But i'm not attacking you here just trying to get you to see what you are really asking SE to do and apply it across the board and just not to your situation that helps you or a few others but harms others in the same process.