Pet Shop

[Alukat]

You call me lazy because you don't know me. You might be able to farm and cook the pet supplies you need to live at your pace, but i blow through an insane amount of supplies a week. I have cooking leveled but if i stopped to craft what i needed id be crafting for a few days, and thats time i dont have. This thread isnt even about that. Its about bst getting what everyone else has. Angon NPC sells it. Automaton oils NPC sells it, Corsair cards NPC sells it, Universal tools NPC sells it. I still maintain that a NPC with endgame appropriate Cookies and jugs is both fair and needed. It helps to regulate crafting prices and ensures that a bstmaster always has the tools needed to actually play the job.

give bst dual-wield like everony else has

Edit:
but a pet shop would suck, i leveled cooking to be able to craft my own pets and to sell stuff. making everything possible to be purchased on npc would just screw the economy.

every gil spend on a npc is lost gil for market.

example:

a bst spends gil for food/pets > the cook gets money, he spends its for shihei or whatever > the woodworker gets money > he spends it for pop items or ingredients droped by NMs or whatever > the person who's killing them all time gets money, this could be u!

point is, a pet shop could just hurt yourself.

[Karbuncle]

give bst dual-wield like everony else has

Edit:
but a pet shop would suck, i leveled cooking to be able to craft my own pets and to sell stuff. making everything possible to be purchased on npc would just screw the economy.

every gil spend on a npc is lost gil for market.

example:

a bst spends gil for food/pets > the cook gets money, he spends its for shihei or whatever > the woodworker gets money > he spends it for pop items or ingredients droped by NMs or whatever > the person who's killing them all time gets money, this could be u!

point is, a pet shop could just hurt yourself.

Not if the prices at the pet shop were more expensive by ~2/3k than at the Auction house. Then it would just be used as a "last rest" alternative if the Auction House happens to be out of stock..

Really, a Pet shop should sell all Jugs/Pet Food up until level ~50. Cause the Jugs/Food at those levels are quite rare, like a lot of lowbie gear.

That way 51+ Jugs/Pet Food will remain what it is (Good profit for Crafters), while the lowbie jug/food Thats rarely made/profitable can be purchased by new players easier, especially when stock is low/non-existent.

[Yopop]

ouch to a pet shop, if you do then my BeastyMart mule would be put out of business ^^

5k for Sheep and 13k for Zeta food

[Xilk]

If you would have asked me 1 year ago if we needed a jug shop, I would have said "DEFINITELY!!"

Today, nope. The recipes and prices for jugs are rather appropriate. I like the economy that exists. I"ve farmed every single new jug recipe. They are perfectly appropriate for a level 90 bst. shucks, we've got dipper. Farming for our jugs once a week is not hard at all, and you can make a killing doing it.

[Gotterdammerung]

Heres the difference between me and you. I am introducing an idea from the perspective of whats good for the majority and you are responding with "it's no problem for me i just craft what i need." i find your response self-centered and your insults distasteful.

Personally, I have 0 problems with gil. It's incredibly ignorant to call me lazy because i would rather spend 4 hours making 2-4 mil doing exciting things that actually feel like playing the game, instead of 4 hours of boring farming and crafting for insuffecient supplies and or chump change. But there are a LOT of bstmasters who lack the gil to blow on some of the more outrageously priced jugs. And not everyone wants to have to craft all there stuff or be beholden to crafters for their everyday JOB ABILITY needs.

But we can even ignore the crafting part. There is other points to focus on. For instance, some of the pet supplies are never even for sale ever. Mole broths and the 99 stack pet foods are difficult to find for sale on the AH. ur answer is "just go craft them!" but as i said b4 not everyone enjoys crafting.
Being understocked is incredibly disruptive to playtime for non-crafters.

and lastly, again its only FAIR. Every job has an NPC. Except beastmaster.

P.S. Just because someone doesnt find crafting fun, doesnt mean they are lazy, or should lose all their money, or should go without valuable items needed to play their job. Ive seriously had more fun playing facebook games than i have had crafting.

[Superchicken]

Heres the difference between me and you. I am introducing an idea from the perspective of whats good for the majority and you are responding with "it's no problem for me i just craft what i need." i find your response self-centered and your insults distasteful.

Personally, I have 0 problems with gil. It's incredibly ignorant to call me lazy because i would rather spend 4 hours making 2-4 mil doing exciting things that actually feel like playing the game, instead of 4 hours of boring farming and crafting for insuffecient supplies and or chump change. But there are a LOT of bstmasters who lack the gil to blow on some of the more outrageously priced jugs. And not everyone wants to have to craft all there stuff or be beholden to crafters for their everyday JOB ABILITY needs.

But we can even ignore the crafting part. There is other points to focus on. For instance, some of the pet supplies are never even for sale ever. Mole broths and the 99 stack pet foods are difficult to find for sale on the AH. ur answer is "just go craft them!" but as i said b4 not everyone enjoys crafting.
Being understocked is incredibly disruptive to playtime for non-crafters.

and lastly, again its only FAIR. Every job has an NPC. Except beastmaster.

P.S. Just because someone doesnt find crafting fun, doesnt mean they are lazy, or should lose all their money, or should go without valuable items needed to play their job. Ive seriously had more fun playing facebook games than i have had crafting.

So cause crafting isn't fun we should have a shop that sells the stuff. Because farming mats takes time that we would rather spend doing other stuff we should have a shop for this? Because i'm a beastmaster and can't cook my own jugs or pet food we should have a shop for this? How about my hands get tired of holding a controller to play the game can we auto pilot mode please.

Seriously, I leveled my cooking to support my BST. If BST's can't find a way to get the jugs and food they need I say they aren't trying hard enough. Yes farming for mats to make your supplies sucks but guess what, that's part of the game.

In a sense your logic would apply to this situation. Hey SE, i hate running around farming my popsets to fight NM's to build my empyrean weapons, can we just have a shop so i can buy the Briarus helms, the Carabosse gems, the Glavoid shells, the Chloris buds, etc.

So as you can tell Pet Shop idea is a big X imo. Don't like the supply of BST items available on your AH on your server? find ways to combat it even if its farming your mats and having people craft for you even though you rather be doign something else. Goes back to the old saying "life's not easy"

[taruaztec]

So cause crafting isn't fun we should have a shop that sells the stuff. Because farming mats takes time that we would rather spend doing other stuff we should have a shop for this? Because i'm a beastmaster and can't cook my own jugs or pet food we should have a shop for this? How about my hands get tired of holding a controller to play the game can we auto pilot mode please.

Seriously, I leveled my cooking to support my BST. If BST's can't find a way to get the jugs and food they need I say they aren't trying hard enough. Yes farming for mats to make your supplies sucks but guess what, that's part of the game.

In a sense your logic would apply to this situation. Hey SE, i hate running around farming my popsets to fight NM's to build my empyrean weapons, can we just have a shop so i can buy the Briarus helms, the Carabosse gems, the Glavoid shells, the Chloris buds, etc.

So as you can tell Pet Shop idea is a big X imo. Don't like the supply of BST items available on your AH on your server? find ways to combat it even if its farming your mats and having people craft for you even though you rather be doign something else. Goes back to the old saying "life's not easy"

Woot Auto run and auto follow for the win. I fine myself always trying to use auto run in every other game i play...fail.

[hakrev]

Honestly, a pet shop is not a bad idea, but it simply needs to take care of the lower lvl bst needs. The lower level pet foods are never crafted by crafters anymore, so it would effect absolutely nothing to have those at an NPC, just as having most of the low lvl regular familiars already able to be bought from an npc has never effected anything at all. What would be a problem is having the high lvl foods (lvl 60+, which are the only ones that people actually sell anymore). Every pet food pre-60 should be available at an npc, for reasonably higher prices then ah. The 99 stackable pet foods could be added, but they would need to be for around 40,000 (possibly higher, on my server regular prices are 30k~) just to make it reasonably high enough to not effect the general market. If the prices are higher then it costs to buy from ah, people at least would have a choice to get something even if the crafters were lazy and not crafting anything, which seems to be happening more and more. High lvl bsts, if they were very short on cash for whatever reason (it happens to all of us at one time or another) and they had an event to go to, could simply go to the shop and purchase a few lower lvls foods. While they would naturally have gimp food and would run through more pets, they could still at least participate.

A pre-60 bst is most likely not concentrating on crafting (and once we hit 99, pre-70 bst food/jugs will be equally gimp), as they are simply charming monsters anyways and there is no need to have pet food/jugs, so having a pet shop to fulfill the food/jug pet need of lower lvls would effect nothing as noone even uses those jugs anyways, maybe some bsts would actually use some of them that way and if you wanted to help a lower player with quests in a lower zone you could quickly grab a cheap jug and a few lower lvl pet foods and head on out and help them quickly. Now couriercarrie for example would not be on the list of buyable jugs simply because of it's massive level range, but some of the jugs that only last like 10 lvls and aren't uber powerful would be perfectly fine to be added to a shop. The Shop location would need to be placed in an outlands area such as rabao/norg/khazam/nashmau or something like that, to simply make it less convenient and less likely to interfere with the general market. Although, it would make more sense to be in Upper Jeuno near Brutus.

[Xilk]

I'm sorry to see an argument about this become personal. I think a pet shop could be made to work. On the other hand there is a clear impact of having vs not having one on crafter vs consumers. Sometimes you are both, sometimes not.

It could work, but I don't see a need. I hope you 2 can discuss the issues and forgive for the personal insults that have been made. We have more in common that different here.

[Gotterdammerung]

@Superchicken, i listed several reasons for the pet shop. But some of them were based on opinion. Maybe that was a mistake on my part. So let me just Focus on the facts.

Yes farming for mats to make your supplies sucks but guess what, that's part of the game.

..... even if its farming your mats and having people craft for you even though you rather be doign something else.

A Beastmaster must do these things you suggest to get its pet food or end up spending a large sum of money.

A puppetmaster Buys his automaton oil +2 from Gavrie (and NPC) for 6k a stack(12). He does not need to spend a large sum of money or do anything extemporaneous. He is also never at risk of his pet healing item being OUT of STOCK.

There are other examples of NPC stores but i feel this one most closely shows the unfairness present.

So having made this point, I ask you this question.

Why is it fair and natural for a beastmaster to have farm materials and craft his supplies or have them crafted or spend large sums of money to buy them from players, WHEN a puppetmaster does not EVER need to do these things to fuel his very similar pet healing Job ability?

P.S. thank you for keeping your argument civil instead of riddled with insults. And also thank you Xilk for your attempt to keep the peace and your keen observation of the crafter Vs consumer nature of this conflict.