job forum monitoring

[Glamdring]

I'll be the 1st to admit, most of the ideas posted in the job-specific forums are ideas to buff their 1 job at the expense of every other job and totally destroy balance with the sole purpose of being able to say "I have the damage record!" Therefore, most are to be ignored as the trash they clearly are. You are clearly succeeding at that SE.

Unfortunately, buried in all that trash are posts about very real legitimate concerns that should be addressed. The lack of any response-at all-leads the playerbase to believe that SE simply does not care. Honestly, you can look at threads by the number of responses to see player feeling on such and such topic to see that it is important to the playerbase, then read the responses and see which have likes to see which way players are wanting to go. Would it hurt to toss those concerned players a bone and show that SE is at least aware of their concerns?

Topics like beasts wanting to charm again, paladins wanting to do ANYTHING again, cor brd rng wanting to be wanted again, these and others are all very real concerns, and in many ways central to how the entire gameplay system was envisioned, but the lack of response to anything leads players to believe that even the core of the game is an issue that SE is fundamentally unconcerned about. I don't actually believe that (you want your jobs' to continue if nothing else), but a response now and then would get others to believe that you take the players seriously, too.

[wish12oz]

cor brd rng wanting to be wanted again,

You lose all credibility for saying BRD is useless. Only fools don't want CORs and BRDs, tell you what, anyone here that wants to play BRD/COR, after the update, move to odin (on ifrit right now), and send me a tell in game, names Kaerin, you can join my LS and play BRD or COR to your hearts content, we'll even pimp it like west coast customs/Xzibit~

[Glamdring]

never said they were useless, I said they weren't wanted, big difference. Caitsith they simply get no Aby love, and as we all know, there is no FFXI outside Aby. now /brd... Honestly, I'm a 90 bard, and a pretty good one (at least my regular group hasn't looked to replace me 4 years running). Nonetheless, I'm asked to come on my bst, dnc or thf more than my brd, although /brd to do Threnody !!. Bard, cor and ranger all still have utility, even paladin do when you are willing to look beyond the "cookie-cutter" approach used by most party leaders for almost anything, but without a serious change (or more properly serious promotion) these jobs will not be put into the "cookie cutter" builds. So, no want...

I'll be honest, I don't love bard, I levelled it because my beast (which I do love) got no Dynamis love, or any other end-game love for that matter, but people would fight over who got the available bards at 75. I still don't love bard, but there are times when I really would rather use it than my other jobs (no jug/pet food $ as an example). But unless my Social LS decided to take pity on it I could seek for 2-3 hours for a seals party for my bard. Ranger is so bad that I haven't seen Imrahilsquiver stocked in like a month. Cor? ROFLMAO if you think they'll get an invite ! pld, only if you can't find anything else. To get rng and cor in the mix would require a significant need for blue !! processing, which you simply don't see. Paladin basically needs to function as a ghetto war trying for red !!; but they are actually excellent at getting 1 mob off an aby puller, especially since blm are too busy trying to show off MAB numbers to sleepaga (and remember, we have no bards), because pld can still take a hit.

[wish12oz]

What you and others fail to realize is that double march doubles the damage output of all melees who receive it, if not more. I have no idea how anyone considers this anywhere near not wanted, or even useless, but then people are stupid I guess.

[Supersun]

The biggest issue really is that since things tend to die so fast and all you really need is a healer + DD to kill 99% of abyssea mobs the only real way to get all your crap faster is to bring fewer people and given how the proc system currently works certain jobs get terribly shafted in what they can proc.

My theory about the next update atm is that they are expanding the proc system. It's already been noted that it looks like from one of the images that Chi Blast is procing something. (also Grellow might have to die since we have green and yellow now D: )

Though I can certainly understand how this issue is being raised. The main jobs being updated this update are Drk, Rng, and Pup and I remember the Drk and Rng threads specifically leaking into the general forum. It could be very easy to derive that they only pay attention to the general forum for job adjustments since most of the jobs receiving buffs this update had a dedicated thread that was created in the general forum (and later moved).

This point might be important to address since if more and more people start thinking this is the case they will just start creating job specific threads in the general forum instead of the job forums like for example the Pld and Pet job threads on the general forum atm.

(also I pity whoever actually has to wade through the Rdm forums though XD)

Edit: I thought of an interesting idea. You know how a thread lists how many views it has gotten. What if there was a special column that recorded how many "dev tracker views" a thread has gotten. Like any views a thread gets by a person that if they made a post would warrant an update on the dev tracker would add 1 view to the "dev tracker view" column. That would at least give us an idea that the higher ups are watching even though they may not have anything in particular to say.

[Kayn]

about SE not looking at the job forums, i feel the same way, there's horrible issues with the automaton AI and there's a VERY well written post on the puppetmaster's forum and it was there from the get go. still no response. :/

[blowfin]

I actually think it's policy for them to not respond explicitly in job threads. To counter that, I'm sure every single thread in this forum gets read at one point or another too.

As for the reasons they don't reply in job threads? I'll take a couple of guesses. It might create feelings of favoritism amongst the playerbase if they were to single out job threads, it also might create (even more) ridiculous suggestions if the threads get attention.

[Bigboy]

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It is a highlighted fallacy in the thread creator's post. It is important to point out because in that sentence the creator displays a lack of understanding of the topic they chose to post about. So for the record, it is not a derail. It is a fair critic of the post, and attempting to narrow the scope of the argument so as not to include jobs he is so obviously wrong about.

If you want to actually get something done, you don't present a daunting laundry list of things that need to happen, but 1 or two things you would really like. More details, especially when they are wrong, are usually a deterrent when you are trying to convince someone to just show some interest. Once they have, then load them up with all the details you can.

[Korpg]

I kindof wish that people would post specific job queries to their specific forums. Seeing how much PLDs don't get invites should go in PLD forums, not general forums.

Generic Pet questions, however, have no specific forum to go to, since it can go to any of the pet jobs, but whats the point in posting the same question over 4 forums?

[wish12oz]

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I'm the guy who knows double marches makes everything die twice as fast, killing twice as fast means doing double what you would of otherwise gotten done in a set amount of time.
Let's say you take 10 min to kill some NM, and have an hour, you can kill that NM 6 times.
Now lets add a bard, it doubles your damage and you can now do that NM 12 times in an hour.
Saying the job that doubles your efficiency is not desired is just plain stupid and wrong.

I.E. if he is so wrong about this one thing he mentioned, the rest of his argument is hurt by his lack of understanding of the game. It's sort of like how you think throwing is good, even though math says it's completely terrible, he's misinformed, and I am trying to inform him. He said bards are hurting because no one wants them around, this is entirely not true, EVERYONE who is intelligent wants bards around.

It's not 'derailing' it's arguing against the points he is trying to make because he is incorrect. It's just like debating. I'm sorry you don't understand this concept.

also: everything Bigboy said.