[DEV1010] Pet job adjustments

[Neisan_Quetz]

You're both being stubborn. Summoner simply lacks in DD gear/traits/abilities, otherwise it isn't that much worse than the other mages (not counting Blu) at meleeing aside from lacking a decent weaponskill. As far as this game is concerned every job can melee, they simply usually have either limitations in mp/weaponskill options or roles holding them back - but without a Subjob summoner can do nothing between bloodpacts. At all. Summoner itself is broken, if meleeing helps them deal more damage and kill the mob faster without being a detriment to a party there is no reason a summoner shouldn't melee. If you think a job is completely fine having to rely on specific subjobs to play a role in a party well I don't know what to say.

[Ezikiel]

so was the bst -100% PDT nerfed or what?

[Malamasala]

You're both being stubborn. Summoner simply lacks in DD gear/traits/abilities, otherwise it isn't that much worse than the other mages (not counting Blu) at meleeing aside from lacking a decent weaponskill.

I've been saying that for years, but as usual SE ignores me. It is funny that they'd probably have 5000 more paying customers if they had listened to me. That is not that many, but the rough estimate of amount of SMNs that quit due to the job never getting fixed.

I used to talk to an old SMN friend over MSN. Every update something came for SMN it was the same thing. "Too little, too late".

The job is a train wreck, and the only thing SE does is add more rail.

[blowfin]

so was the bst -100% PDT nerfed or what?

Yah 87.5%%%%%%

[Korpg]

SMN isn't that bad. You just got to take the limitations and work around them.

Then you will find that they can be at about the same as most other pet jobs. PUP included. Only exception is that PUP can DD, and DD well. DRG too, but they are just as much geared for DD as PUP is.

Think of it this way, you got 3 DD types of pet jobs, and SMN is considered the "nuker" of pet jobs. All avatars are considered BLMs. They deal magical damage. The TP they use are for magical blood pacts.

What's wrong with treating SMN as the mage it is?

[Fyreus]

My summoner has all sorts of neat trick Since BP are JA i really have: magic haste, 34+enspell damage, double attack, attack up, and stats up. Smn gets some nice stuff as assistance but we're so sub dependent that it becomes an annoying thing to deal with.

[Malamasala]

What's wrong with treating SMN as the mage it is?

The only part about SMN that says mage is the MP. That means PLD is a mage, DRK is a mage, BLU is a mage, even though many would consider them as front line jobs.

Besides our issue is hardly about if the job is called a mage or not. It's that we get nothing to fill in between our ridiculous timers.

- Spirits.... take as long as the recast to even start casting a random spell... useless.
- Melee... no helping traits or abilities. Do have WSes at least.
- Watch... rather boring.
- Equip some magey sub and cast cures... Most common option, but hardly something that makes you feel like a Summoner and not a half level subjob.

[Volkai]

The only part about SMN that says mage is the MP.

That's not accurate.
Mage-like attributes that Summoner possesses:
1) armor selection (Generally included on what could be considered 'mage only' gear. For example, Skulker's Cape or Royal Redingote -- WHM/BLM/RDM/BRD/SMN/SCH.)
2) limited weaponry choices (most staves used by Summoners are Staff subtype instead of Pole subtype. This is like the Wand subtype instead of the Hammer subtype, for Clubs.)
3) low HP
4) high MP (note that PLD and DRK have significantly less MP than WHM/BLM/RDM/SMN/BLU)
5) total dependency on spells to perform job's primary role (consider a silenced PLD or DRK without echo drops or PT SIlenas but otherwise unimpaired. Now consider a silenced SMN without echo drops or PT SIlena.)

That means PLD is a mage, DRK is a mage, BLU is a mage, even though many would consider them as front line jobs.

Nevermind that I just dismissed the false premise, these still don't work. PLD and DRK are jobs that use MP, but are not mages. BLU IS a mage (it's in the Job's name!), but it's a front line mage job.

[Korpg]

The only part about SMN that says mage is the MP.

I would have to disagree with you.

Most of the damage that a SMN does comes from the avatar. The avatar is summoned by casting a spell to summon them.

Along with what Volkai has said also, I think that the above point is what makes a Summoner a magic pet job. I mean, who else has access to elemental type pets?

[Neisan_Quetz]

A silenced summoner can still use bloodpacts. It's actually less of a mage in that aspect since the job is most hurt by Amnesia, not silence.