[DEV1010] Pet job adjustments

[Korpg]

The only part about SMN that says mage is the MP.

I would have to disagree with you.

Most of the damage that a SMN does comes from the avatar. The avatar is summoned by casting a spell to summon them.

Along with what Volkai has said also, I think that the above point is what makes a Summoner a magic pet job. I mean, who else has access to elemental type pets?

[Dallas]

Huh. I had not considered that particular point.

Still, if you can't summon something in the first place, you can't use your bloodpacts, so....

Psst, I was hoping for this from Korpg... Myrkr removes status effects from self. For everyone else, there are Echo Drops and the ability to not unsummon in the first place.

Not even bad BLM are once-every-45-seconds BLM. Something for the posers to think about. If you really think you are a BLM pet job, find a BLM that sucks as much as you.

[Korpg]

Psst, I was hoping for this from Korpg... Myrkr removes status effects from self. For everyone else, there are Echo Drops and the ability to not unsummon in the first place.

Not even bad BLM are once-every-45-seconds BLM. Something for the posers to think about. If you really think you are a BLM pet job, find a BLM that sucks as much as you.

Then why not invite a BLM instead of a SMN for the job?

Why are you in a party? I mean, since any other DD can do physical damage faster and more consistent than you. And any BLM (or SCH) can do more magical damage faster and more consistent than you.

Why are you in the party? Is it so you can spam a 0 damage WS just to keep yourself continuing to do damage with your avatar?

[Neisan_Quetz]

Then why not invite a BLM instead of a SMN for the job?

Why are you in a party? I mean, since any other DD can do physical damage faster and more consistent than you. And any BLM (or SCH) can do more magical damage faster and more consistent than you.

Why are you in the party? Is it so you can spam a 0 damage WS just to keep yourself continuing to do damage with your avatar?

Now you're getting it.

[Soundwave]

I really would like to see Camate reply to this thread.

Anywho....carry on, I enjoy this thread.

[Korpg]

Now you're getting it.

I already got it.

Only time I go to Abyssea as SMN really is to solo NMs. If I wanted to do something with other people, I would go as something else. Generally, that is. Sometimes my group requires me to go as SMN, but thats ok, because generally my job is spelled out (get pets off of tank, carby pull from a bunch of aggro mobs, etc).

The very few times I am required to go as SMN for something, its generally for one thing. Provide support to the party based on situations that is acceptable to help everyone, not to be a burden to anyone. Take care of yourself type of thing.

It's Dallas who doesn't get it. He has to impose himself to others because he doesn't know the job he is playing, and how it is structured. He thinks that because SMN has a "decent" staff skill, they "have" to melee and anyone who doesn't melee is "unfit to be a SMN." Next thing, he will tell RNGs that they "have" to melee with axes because they have better axe skill than SMNs have Staff skill, and by not being right next to the mob, and doing both ranged attack and melee attack, they are gimping themselves on damage. COR too, for the same reason.

Dallas has no idea what SMN is. Yet he is claiming to be a "top" tier SMN.

[Neisan_Quetz]

They probably are better off meleeing and using Rampage/Evis because pulling the mob away from the rest of the DD can be considered a detriment to all the other DD (bar having the Emp WS).

Glad you got that being a subpar DD isn't useful ergo Smn isn't useful. As long as it doesn't have high damage AoE and they are not being a detriment to the party, there is nothing wrong with a Summoner meleeing. You're both being stubborn.

[Korpg]

I never said that SMN isn't useful. Its just that SMNs have their own brand of usefulness.

They have specific roles, and Melee is not one of them.

[Neisan_Quetz]

And saying their role is never to melee is subjective. As I already pointed out without a subjob in between bloodpacts the only thing a summoner actually could do in a pt besides stand around and look pretty is melee. I'm not saying it is the only way to play Smn but being 100% backline isn't necessarily the only way to play the job either.

[Volkai]

The role of Summoner is not "never to melee," but it's safe to say the meleeing is at best incidental to the role a Summoner plays in a group.

If you are a Summoner, and you choose to melee, you had best be getting done whatever it is you're supposed to be doing and giving that priority. If you can do that and also melee (and contribute to the group by doing so) then there's no reason not to melee.